Another wrong team question

[Chris Whitten]

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

take a look at the actual play in the case book that Mark cited. 6.4.1 D. that is the reference. normally, you do change the arrow when the throw in legally touched/ends. however, usually the ball is given to the right team. here the arrow is pointing to A but you gave the ball to B. if you dont fix it before the throw in ends you have converted this AP throwin for A to one for B. the next one will go to A. the arrow is already pointing to A so you dont have to worry about changing it.

you can get that from reading the actual play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

Yes, it's turned to the team that did not execute the last A.P. throw-in. So if the wrong team threw the ball in, then the arrow is placed towards the team that should have.

Do not overthink this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

If A is entitled to a throw in and they never get it, you don't switch the arrow.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

If A is entitled to a throw in and they never get it, you don't switch the arrow.

I agree -- but it is hard to prove it just from the rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree -- but it is hard to prove it just from the rules.

There has to be a point when common sense sets in.

[just another ref]

I also don't see where it specifically says that you give the ball to the team whose basket the arrow points to. Some things you just have to figure out. It does say that the arrow is reversed when an alternating possession throw-in ends. I submit that if the throw-in is made by the team not favored by the arrow, it is not an alternating possession throw-in. It is simply a mistake. Therefore the arrow will not be reversed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree -- but it is hard to prove it just from the rules.

Book isn't here, does the case play or interp address this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

Book isn't here, does the case play or interp address this?

Yes, I think so.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Book isn't here, does the case play or interp address this?

the case play does--6.4.1 sit D--ARROW MISTAKE

team Bs TURN for next AP throw in under the procedure. by mistake, team A is given that throw in. Team A (a) commits throw in violation.

Ruling --once the throw in ends-it is too late to change anything. In (a), the throw in ends when team A violates and results in a throw in for team B AS WELL AS THE ARROW FOR THE NEXT ALTERNATING POSSESSION.

(arrow remains with B)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

First, we want to apply:

NHFS Casebook Play 6.4.1 Situation D(a): It is Team B's turn for the next throw-in under the alternation possession procedure. By mistake, Team A is given that throw-in. Team A commits a throw-in violation. RULING: Once the throw-in ends it is too late to change anything. The throw-in ends when Team A violates and results in a throw-in for Team B as well as the arrow for the next alternating possession.


Therefore, in the OP, the AP Throw-in ended when it was legally touched by B2. But Team A will retain the AP Arrow. And you can tell Team A's HC that his team is going to get two of the next three AP Arrows.

And Billy is probably correct. LOL!

There is something to be said to putting the Ball back into play with a Jump Ball, .

MTD, Sr.


P.S. The Caseball Play had Teams A and B reversed from the OP and I switched them around in my mind while composing my OP.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, I think so.

Originally Posted by BigCat

the case play does--6.4.1 sit D--ARROW MISTAKE

team Bs TURN for next AP throw in under the procedure. by mistake, team A is given that throw in. Team A (a) commits throw in violation.

Ruling --once the throw in ends-it is too late to change anything. In (a), the throw in ends when team A violates and results in a throw in for team B AS WELL AS THE ARROW FOR THE NEXT ALTERNATING POSSESSION.

(arrow remains with B)

See my OP in this thread (Post #4), I give the NFHS Casebook Play and it is applicable to NCAA Men's and Women's and I would guess since FIBA has gone to AP it would be a good guide line for FIBA.

MTD, Sr.