20 Second disqualification count and FT

[mutantducky]

Question about this. After five seconds a warning horn.
Is it ok for the coach to gather his players over?
I had an issue when the time had run out on Two fts by the opposing team. Shoot the first. Would you just shoot the second one here? Or do you call a delay of game warning if they aren't lined up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Question about this. After five seconds a warning horn.
Is it ok for the coach to gather his players over?
I had an issue when the time had run out on Two fts by the opposing team. Shoot the first. Would you just shoot the second one here? Or do you call a delay of game warning if they aren't lined up.

As long as the coach has his sub to the table before that 2nd horn, he can do what he wants. Once the sub gets to the table, get the game going.

Second question. How are they delaying the game? They aren't supposed to be lined up, right? Let the coach talk to them as long as they stay on the court.

[mutantducky]

So if a coach wants to use the time, he should do this.
Have a sub ready but don't send him to the table until 20 seconds. However, if he reports and the coach then calls him over and his players, a semi-on court timeout, are you then going to start the game?


So for the Fts if the coach wants to keep talking to them, just shoot them. The opposing team is shooting. Sounds good to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

So if a coach wants to use the time, he should do this.
Have a sub ready but don't send him to the table until 20 seconds. However, if he reports and the coach then calls him over and his players, a semi-on court timeout, are you then going to start the game?


So for the Fts if the coach wants to keep talking to them, just shoot them. The opposing team is shooting. Sounds good to me.

These are two separate situations, right?

1. Yes, he can do it, but if he holds the sub he risks that horn going off. That sub needs to be at the table when the horn goes, not on his way, or waiting to go. Coach can use the 20 seconds as he sees fit, but this isn't a TO where we give a bit of cushion at the end.

With the FTs, I'm assuming this is a separate situation with the time expired and FTs to be shot. No one lines up, so B coach can have all 5 players by the bench and start talking. A coach can have the 4 who aren't shooting.

[OKREF]

I'm not shooting any free throws until the defense has 2 players on the bottom spots.

[mutantducky]

If the defense is not lined up for the Fts because the coach has them huddling following the fifth foul. There is time on the clock.
So it appears you give them a delay warning but DO NOT shoot the fts until the D has two lined up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm not shooting any free throws until the defense has 2 players on the bottom spots.

Since this is probably not after a timeout, or an intermission, then:

10-1-5: A team shall not:
Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in
play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the
intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in
these specific situations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

So if a coach wants to use the time, he should do this.
Have a sub ready but don't send him to the table until 20 seconds. However, if he reports and the coach then calls him over and his players, a semi-on court timeout, are you then going to start the game?


So for the Fts if the coach wants to keep talking to them, just shoot them. The opposing team is shooting. Sounds good to me.

Repeatedly say "this is not a time-out" and get the team(s) out the huddle. It irritates me that coaches think they are entitled to a free time-out in these situations.

[mutantducky]

Repeatedly say "this is not a time-out" and get the team(s) out the huddle

I've done that. I did it in my last game and got on the coach to get a sub. But it doesn't seem against the rules for a coach to do exactly that, make it an unofficial hurried Timeout. As long as it lasts under 20 seconds. I'd rather see a rule change to outlaw it. I'd like to get rid of the warning horn after five seconds.
Maybe- the Coach has 10 seconds to send a sub to the table. Once the sub is there and is beckoned onto the court, play is ready to begin. This would allow the coach basically no time to do a huddle(by the time the players get to the coach, we would be talking about five seconds at the most) and also could lead to delay of game warnings if the Coach tries to do that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Repeatedly say "this is not a time-out" and get the team(s) out the huddle

I've done that. I did it in my last game and got on the coach to get a sub. But it doesn't seem against the rules for a coach to do exactly that, make it an unofficial hurried Timeout. As long as it lasts under 20 seconds. .

It's not against the rules. S/He can use the 20 seconds how s/he wants -- many s/he wants to ask the team if they'd rather have player x or player y in the game.

FWIW, IL experimented with a "must replace the DQ'd player 'immediately' " rule a few (5-10) years ago. It worked well, imo.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Adam

As long as the coach has his sub to the table before that 2nd horn, he can do what he wants. Once the sub gets to the table, get the game going.

Second question. How are they delaying the game? They aren't supposed to be lined up, right? Let the coach talk to them as long as they stay on the court.

Unless the 5th foul was a T or an Intentional foul they must have 2 players lined up for any Free Throw attempts.

If their are no Free Throws then give a short chirp of the Whistle and if they are still conferring with the Coach let the ball be in-bounded for the easy bucket.

[Camron Rust]

In the OP, it sounds like the sub was never provided. Assuming that is the case...

If the 20 second interval runs out without the sub being available, then you have T on the coach.

So, at that point, the team no longer has to occupy the lower spaces. However, you still can't proceed until the sub has been brought into the game.

If the coach still doesn't provide a sub, I guess you'd go a 2nd T and eject the coach.

All that said, GET INTO THEIR HUDDLE and tell the coach you need that sub NOW before it gets to that point. Chances are, he is just distracted and unaware of the ramifications.

As for the huddling, they can do that if they want. The sub just needs to be provided before the time runs out. Once the sub is provided, the game resumes immediately.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Unless the 5th foul was a T or an Intentional foul they must have 2 players lined up for any Free Throw attempts.

If their are no Free Throws then give a short chirp of the Whistle and if they are still conferring with the Coach let the ball be in-bounded for the easy bucket.

I was taking it to be two separate situations.

1. Can a coach talk to his players during the 20 second interval?

2. When the clock has expired and you have FTs to shoot, can the coach talk to his players while the FTs are being shot?

I may have read it wrong.