Double Dribble or Not?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

Rule 14-5-4 Art 4 Letter (d):

Dribble ends when '..the ball touches or is touched by an 'opponent' and causes the dribbler to lose control....'

If that is the case if the ball touching a teammate would not qualify as 'ending' the dribble, then the situation would be considered a 'double-dribble' ?

The Rule citation you meant to give is 4-15-4 d.

[Valley Man]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post944100

but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure

[Adam]

Why was I thinking an interrupted dribble that touched a teammate ended the dribble?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why was I thinking an interrupted dribble that touched a teammate ended the dribble?

I'm with you - I thought anytime the ball touches another player , not just an opponent, you can dribble again. This is how we learn...

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post944100

but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure

The distinction is not intentional or not, but whether the initial dibble ended or not . . .

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post944100

but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

The distinction is not intentional or not, but whether the initial dibble ended or not . . .

What makes the above legal is 9-5-3 after a dribble has ended.

[BillyMac]

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation, also open to constructive criticism.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation.

I think you're misreading this section and the timing matters. During the lost control dribble that touches a teammate, the dribble has not ended per rule it only ends but ends when the errant dribbler picked up the ball. So once the dribbler picked up the ball, she chould only dibble again if she then had a pass or fumble touch a teammate.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I think you're misreading this section and the timing matters. During the lost control dribble that touches a teammate, the dribble has not ended per rule it only ends but ends when the errant dribbler picked up the ball. So once the dribbler picked up the ball, she chould only dibble again if she then had a pass or fumble touch a teammate.

Thanks, but I don't think so, so I'd like to hear from others. No offense.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation, also open to constructive criticism.

No, Billy. A dribble deflecting off a teammate is not a pass or fumble.
The OP is a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No, Billy. A dribble deflecting off a teammate is not a pass or fumble.
The OP is a violation.

Yet there are those (not me) who argue that a ball that is touched by teammate is automatcially a pass when considering whether a released ball is a pass or dribble in the context of releasing the ball after the pivot is lifted regardless of how the ball was actually released.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A dribble deflecting off a teammate is not a pass or fumble. The OP is a violation.

4.15.4 SITUATION E: While A1 is dribbling in A’s backcourt, the ball legally
touches B1’s leg, causing it to bounce away from A1. A1 quickly recovers the ball
with two hands and then starts another dribble. RULING: Legal. The touch by B1
ended the original dribble and A1 could then recover and dribble again. However,
the touch by B1 did not end team control and the 10-second backcourt count
continues. (9-5-2)

So if the ball hits A2 (instead of B1), then A1 can't legally start another dribble? It may be true, but I'm not sure that I'm calling it that way.

It's definitely not a fumble:

A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally
drops or slips from a player’s grasp.

Could it be a pass?

A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the
ball to another player.

That's it. It's a pass. Legal dribble. Play on.