The "running bobble"

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

Explain this please.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

[just another ref]

If you mean the player who jumps up in the air, has no place to go, then "accidentally" drops the ball, yeah. Other than that, I still don't see a travel call.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?

The only way a bat = control is when it is a part of a dribble. If a rebound comes off and a player bats it into the air he may (hypothetically) do so an unlimited number of times and proceed from one end of the court to the other without violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?

Again, see 4-15-2

[Kansas Ref]

I realize that it is "unconventional" ball handling which occurs on the infrequently observed "running bobble" by A2 or other A# as you,ve described but we have Nothing. So, although a ref may cognitively know that A# purposefully utilized the "running bobble" to obtain offensive advantage ie men s rea, we still have Nothing. Play on.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

A# purposefully utilized the "running bobble" to obtain offensive advantage ie men s rea, we still have Nothing. Play on.

That's a different play, with a different ruling.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

this section would not apply unless it happened "during the dribble." if you pass it to me and i bobble it down the floor on purpose, never pushing or batting the ball to the floor, this section doesnt apply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

this section would not apply unless it happened "during the dribble." if you pass it to me and i bobble it down the floor on purpose, never pushing or batting the ball to the floor, this section doesnt apply.

Sure it does. 1. It's an advantage not intended by the rules. 2. It's actually against the dribbling rule.