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Chris Whitten Wed Dec 17, 2014 08:19pm

The "running bobble"
 
A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

BillyMac Wed Dec 17, 2014 08:25pm

Can't Travel Without Possession ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten (Post 947241)
A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

No.

No.

A player must be holding the ball (with one very rare exception) in order to travel. A player can't travel while dribbling, while tapping the ball, while fumbling it, or while trying to recover a loose ball.

AremRed Wed Dec 17, 2014 08:35pm

If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:25pm

A player can't travel if he/she isn't in control of the ball. And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

just another ref Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:35pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 947250)
And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

Explain this please.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:35pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 947254)
Explain this please.

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

Adam Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten (Post 947241)
A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

Not a travel. You cannot travel unless you're holding the ball. You'll hear lots of screams, but there's nothing to call.

Ugly isn't a violation.

just another ref Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:42pm

If you mean the player who jumps up in the air, has no place to go, then "accidentally" drops the ball, yeah. Other than that, I still don't see a travel call.

Adam Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 947254)
Explain this please.

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

PG_Ref Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 947255)
Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 947260)
By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

Thank you for clearing that up.

just another ref Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 947259)
If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

Adam Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 947264)
Which is not a travel, which was my point.

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 947245)
If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.


Do not even try that argument with me. Either A2 had gained control of the ball or he has not.

MTD, Sr.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:34pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 947266)
Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?


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