The "running bobble"

[Chris Whitten]

A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

No.

No.

A player must be holding the ball (with one very rare exception) in order to travel. A player can't travel while dribbling, while tapping the ball, while fumbling it, or while trying to recover a loose ball.

If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.

[BryanV21]

A player can't travel if he/she isn't in control of the ball. And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

Explain this please.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

A1 has the ball on the wing on a secondary break when the entry pass goes to A2 moving down the lane line. A2 bobbles it several times as he continues to take steps toward the basket, never gaining possession of it. Before he can gain possession, my partner hits his whistle and signals a travel. Is this any kind of violation? Is there any way this could be construed as a travel?

Not a travel. You cannot travel unless you're holding the ball. You'll hear lots of screams, but there's nothing to call.

Ugly isn't a violation.

[just another ref]

If you mean the player who jumps up in the air, has no place to go, then "accidentally" drops the ball, yeah. Other than that, I still don't see a travel call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

Thank you for clearing that up.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.

Do not even try that argument with me. Either A2 had gained control of the ball or he has not.

MTD, Sr.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?