The "running bobble"

If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.

[BryanV21]

A player can't travel if he/she isn't in control of the ball. And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

And fumbling the ball, unless you judge it to be done intentionally, is not control.

Explain this please.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

[just another ref]

If you mean the player who jumps up in the air, has no place to go, then "accidentally" drops the ball, yeah. Other than that, I still don't see a travel call.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Like Amenred just said... "If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel."

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

By rule, a fumble is an accidental act ...

4-21
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp.

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Explain this please.

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Which is not a travel, which was my point.

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ok, illegal dribble, still a violation.

Wouldn't an illegal dribble indicate that there was one dribble that ended? "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of..."

In the OP the player never dribbled. So if the player intentionally batted the ball in the air (had control) and moved his pivot foot isn't this a travel?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

If he's purposefully "bobbling" the ball, you have a dribble that violates 4-15-2.

this section would not apply unless it happened "during the dribble." if you pass it to me and i bobble it down the floor on purpose, never pushing or batting the ball to the floor, this section doesnt apply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

this section would not apply unless it happened "during the dribble." if you pass it to me and i bobble it down the floor on purpose, never pushing or batting the ball to the floor, this section doesnt apply.

Sure it does. 1. It's an advantage not intended by the rules. 2. It's actually against the dribbling rule.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sure it does. 1. It's an advantage not intended by the rules. 2. It's actually against the dribbling rule.

I'm sorry, i disagree completely. 4-15-2 says "during a dribble" --definition of dribble as you know says intentionally bat or push ball to floor….

for this section to apply i first have to bat or push ball to the floor. if, after that, i push it out in front of me and run and touch it again before it touches floor i have violated this section. in my example and the op a player started bobbling on receipt of a pass. he never started a dribble…the ball has never hit the floor. it simply cannot be "during a dribble" which is required before this section applies.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If it is a true fumble then it's a no call. If you deem the player is purposely fumbling the ball then you can say there is control and call the travel.

Do not even try that argument with me. Either A2 had gained control of the ball or he has not.

MTD, Sr.