Loose Ball Quiz

[Adam]

Originally Posted by egj13

No book in front of me, but if my partner did such a thing I suppose I would go to the arrow.

I'm tempted to suggest you should go back down and start over.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm tempted to suggest you should go back down and start over.

Like.

[crosscountry55]

It was a camp game with HS varsity players. My partners were thinking arrow, but I sold them on the fact that in this situation, I believe it fell under the umbrella of an "interrupted game." So given that Team A still had control, we opted for the point of interruption.

The collision was quite severe; my partner felt there might have been a concussion, so that's why he blew the whistle. But if he'd waited a second or two more, the ball was going to end up out of bounds, so we all agreed if we had it to do over again, we'd let the ball dribble out and call an OOB violation on B (based on the deflection).

The clinician who was working our court felt that we should have gone to the arrow because "there was no control." Sheesh. This proves why one needs to read through the rule and case books (cover to cover) at least once per season.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was a camp game with HS varsity players. My partners were thinking arrow, but I sold them on the fact that in this situation, I believe it fell under the umbrella of an "interrupted game." So given that Team A still had control, we opted for the point of interruption.

The collision was quite severe; my partner felt there might have been a concussion, so that's why he blew the whistle. But if he'd waited a second or two more, the ball was going to end up out of bounds, so we all agreed if we had it to do over again, we'd let the ball dribble out and call an OOB violation on B (based on the deflection).

The clinician who was working our court felt that we should have gone to the arrow because "there was no control." Sheesh. This proves why one needs to read through the rule and case books (cover to cover) at least once per season.

This scares me. Did he allow you to discuss it?

As for the original scenario, there's no difference here in who gets the ball. No need to wait if you think there's a concussion or serious injury. There's no imminent scoring opportunity to interrupt, just kill the play.

Whether you kill it with the ball bouncing or after it goes OOB, it's still going to be A's ball here. If A had touched it last, I still wouldn't worry about waiting. Let A keep the ball if they only lost it because A2 knocked himself out.

[crosscountry55]

Sort of. We had just finished talking about a technical I issued for a rim chin-up (the critique was good: excellent call, poor reporting) and some other situations among the crew. And then this play in question came up as a bit of an afterthought. I was still shocked that the clinician and so many other folks felt we should have gone to the arrow. I made a polite token effort to counter, but then I got to that point when it was more prudent to simply nod, acknowledge, and discard. I knew I was right. Incidentally, the clinician was not a "first year on the staff" kind of guy. It was one of commissioner's senior officials.

As for your other point that Team A was going to get the ball regardless, that's a fair point. I didn't blow the play dead, but if I had been the calling official, this would have been a lot to think through in a very short amount of time. Given the kind of collision, I probably would have blown the play dead, too. Safety first.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Sort of. We had just finished talking about a technical I issued for a rim chin-up (the critique was good: excellent call, poor reporting) and some other situations among the crew. And then this play in question came up as a bit of an afterthought. I was still shocked that the clinician and so many other folks felt we should have gone to the arrow. I made a polite token effort to counter, but then I got to that point when it was more prudent to simply nod, acknowledge, and discard. I knew I was right. Incidentally, the clinician was not a "first year on the staff" kind of guy. It was one of commissioner's senior officials.

As for your other point that Team A was going to get the ball regardless, that's a fair point. I didn't blow the play dead, but if I had been the calling official, this would have been a lot to think through in a very short amount of time. Given the kind of collision, I probably would have blown the play dead, too. Safety first.

Excellent points.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

... I made a polite token effort to counter, but then I got to that point when it was more prudent to simply nod, acknowledge, and discard. I knew I was right.....

In indicator that you possess good judgment.

[Adam]

I had a similar situation once in a discussion with a local big dawg (won't say which city I was in at the time) regarding whether an attempt at the wrong basket is considered a "try." I pushed a little, but there was no need to brand myself.