Tippy toes backcourt

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

Why can't you land on the Division Line? There is not Mid-Court Line. In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.

Misty water-colored memories. Frontcourt divided into a midcourt, and a forecourt. Closely guarded dribbler got a new count as he dribbled forward over the midcourt line, designated by a 28 foot hash mark, that we still see on some very old courts. It was legally possible for a closely guarded ball handler to possess the ball for sixteen seconds; holding, dribbling in the midcourt (dribble past the midcourt line), dribbling in the front court, and holding (four seconds each).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

With all due respect, this is what you wrote and what I quoted:

"Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation."

The OP doesn't mention a jump or if there was one, where it originated.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

With all due respect, this is what you wrote and what I quoted:

"Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation."

The OP doesn't mention a jump or if there was one, where it originated.

If A2 does not jump, it's obviously a violation.

If A2 jumps, then it doesn't matter whether it originates from the FC or the BC.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If A2 does not jump, it's obviously a violation.

If A2 jumps, then it doesn't matter whether it originates from the FC or the BC.

So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.

No. On a throw-in pass if the player leaps in the air he can land anywhere without violation. The only question in the OP is how long does a landing take? If he lands on his toes in the frontcourt, then sees the line and teeters there for a significant length of time before putting his heels down on the line would we call a violation? I'm gonna wait until that happens, then decide. But if he catches the pass in the air and lands on his toes first followed by his heels touching the line all in one smooth "natural" landing, I've got nothing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.

Why is "division line" in quotes? That's the proper term.

And, if it's a throw-in (as the OP), or a pass from the BC, it's not a violation.

If it's a pass from the FC, then it's a violation before the player even lands.