Tippy toes backcourt

[bob jenkins]

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think...

You are correct. Player is given leeway for normal landing actions.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

i'm not going to require her to come down exactly flat footed etc…natural landing ok as others have said. but if, as in the play here, she hangs up on the toes in front court, (not natural) then puts heels down still a violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i'm not going to require her to come down exactly flat footed etc…natural landing ok as others have said. but if, as in the play here, she hangs up on the toes in front court, (not natural) then puts heels down still a violation.

There is a case play (or interp) where the player lands on one foot, balances that way for a while, and then puts the second foot down in the BC. Ruling: Legal.

I think the same concept applies.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There is a case play (or interp) where the player lands on one foot, balances that way for a while, and then puts the second foot down in the BC. Ruling: Legal.

I think the same concept applies.

that has to be an interp. throw in back court exception in rule uses phrase "normal landing" . player who catches ball in air can make "normal landing" and doesn't matter which foot hits first where….

a normal landing can vary i suppose if another player is around but if player catches ball with one foot in front court and just lets one foot hang in air (because he is being abnormal)that is not normal landing. if he then puts the foot in the back court i am going to call the violation. same with the toes. i will give player every opportunity to make a normal landing but if he or she is on toes and stays there, as opposed to coming down normally, and then puts heels down, I'm going to call the violation.
because that's not normal...

[bob jenkins]

It's possible I am mis-remembering the interp.

[Nevadaref]

9.9.1 SITUATION A:

A1 catches the throw-in pass with one foot on the floor in A's frontcourt and the other foot not touching the floor. The non-pivot foot then comes down in A's backcourt.

RULING: Violation. Player and team control are established in A's frontcourt when A1 catches the throw-in pass. The violation occurs when A1 subsequently touches the backcourt with the non-pivot foot. (4-12-6; 9-9-3)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

Why can't you land on the Division Line? There is not Mid-Court Line. In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.

Misty water-colored memories. Frontcourt divided into a midcourt, and a forecourt. Closely guarded dribbler got a new count as he dribbled forward over the midcourt line, designated by a 28 foot hash mark, that we still see on some very old courts. It was legally possible for a closely guarded ball handler to possess the ball for sixteen seconds; holding, dribbling in the midcourt (dribble past the midcourt line), dribbling in the front court, and holding (four seconds each).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

With all due respect, this is what you wrote and what I quoted:

"Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation."

The OP doesn't mention a jump or if there was one, where it originated.