The horn deus ex

[mutantducky]

cause I just felt like putting Deus ex in there


but back to the narrative.

2 seconds left, game tied. Inbounds play, The clock for some reason starts to soon, ball is inbounded and the horn sounds but player catches and scores right after.
The refs have definite knowledge that shot would have been within the two seconds.

Count the basket? If only the player who scored was still playing, say the other players froze because of the buzzer would you not count the basket?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

cause I just felt like putting Deus ex in there


but back to the narrative.

2 seconds left, game tied. Inbounds play, The clock for some reason starts to soon, ball is inbounded and the horn sounds but player catches and scores right after.
The refs have definite knowledge that shot would have been within the two seconds.

Count the basket? If only the player who scored was still playing, say the other players froze because of the buzzer would you not count the basket?

By 5-6-2, the period ends when the buzzer sounds to indicate time has expired (with a few exceptions, none of which apply here). However, 5-10-1 allows the R to correct an obvious mistake by the timer using definite information regarding time observed on the clock. To me, if the buzzer sounds before the ball is touched inbounds, then there is definite information that there was a timing mistake -- the buzzer cannot sound during a stopped clock and the clock could not have legally started. In that case, reset the clock to two seconds and redo the throw-in.

If the buzzer sounds after the throw-in has been touched inbounds, then the clock would be running and thus the expiration of time is possible. The ball becomes dead when time expires for a period unless a try or tap is in flight by 6-7-6, so there's no way you can count the basket. If one of the officials had an official count going after the ball was touched inbounds, then that information could be used to correct an improperly-started clock by 5-10-2. So if an official had an official count going, the R could use that information to reset the clock to the amount of time that should have remained at the moment the buzzer sounded and restart at POI. If there is no official count to use for information, then there is no grounds for correction and the period is over.

[mutantducky]

so if the buzzer sounds because of a mistake, even a tenth of a second before the shot is released, then the refs have to wave it off even though they know it would have counted?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

so if the buzzer sounds because of a mistake, even a tenth of a second before the shot is released, then the refs have to wave it off even though they know it would have counted?

Yes. Put the .1 back on the clock and administer another throw-in.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. Put the .1 back on the clock and administer another throw-in.

If the officials have a count that confirms that the clock was started a tenth of a second too early.

[Nevadaref]

NFHS answered this for us a couple of years ago.

Basketball Rules Interpretations - 2009-10

SITUATION 11: Team B scores a goal to take the lead by one point. A1 immediately requests and is granted a timeout with three seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. Following the time-out, Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in from anywhere along the end line. A1 passes the ball to A2, who is also outside the boundary; A2 passes the ball to A1 who is inbounds and running the length of the court. The timer mistakenly starts the clock when A2 touches A1’s pass while standing outside the boundary. An official notices the clock starting on A2’s touch (a), before A2 releases the throw-in pass to A1, (b), while A2’s throw-in pass is in flight to A1, or (c), as soon as A1 catches the throw-in pass. RULING: This is an obvious timing mistake and may be corrected. In (a) and (b), the official shall blow the whistle, stop play and direct the timer to put three seconds on the game clock. Since the throw-in had not ended, play is resumed with a Team A throw-in from anywhere along the end line. In (c), the official may put the correct time on the clock, but must make some allowance for the touching by A1 – likely 10ths of a second, if displayed. The ball is put in play nearest to where it was located when the stoppage occurred to correct the timing mistake. A “do over” is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)

[bob jenkins]

Yes -- but if it's not in the current case book, ....

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes -- but if it's not in the current case book, ....

I heard that!