Illegal Screen? (video)

[Adam]

Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.

[JRutledge]

I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace

Jeff:

I agree. This was a legal screen. It looked bad to the fans and coaches who are not versed in the rules of the game because the defender was small and bounced off the screener like a rubber ball thrown against a brick wall. But I believe the screener was penalized for being much bigger than the screenee.

MTD, Sr.

[BryanV21]

I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, i thought the shoulder rotated in on the first view and i still think it now. not really dealing with the pivot. her top half turns and delivers a blow. just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Agreed. If we're not sure, don't call anything and I'm with JRut and MTDS. The screener didn't create the contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

Agree, but I had to watch the video twice to be sure.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.

There's a halfcourt trap developing. The L should get across so the C can officiate this as the T.

Frankly, it looks bad, but the quality of video is lacking.

Originally Posted by Rich

There's a halfcourt trap developing. The L should get across so the C can officiate this as the T.

Wouldn't matter. Even if the Lead is coming across I don't see a good Center official bailing out from FTLE before this play develops. The Lead should probably be going across when he sees the play come down C's side, but C should be able to referee a 1 on 1 matchup with a screener pretty easily.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wouldn't matter. Even if the Lead is coming across I don't see a good Center official bailing out from FTLE before this play develops. The Lead should probably be going across when he sees the play come down C's side, but C should be able to referee a 1 on 1 matchup with a screener pretty easily.

I disagree. As C, I'm moving up a bit higher to get a better look at this. I think he got the right call, but he seems to be straight lined on the play.

Yes, I'm picking nits, but that's what we do.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wouldn't matter. Even if the Lead is coming across I don't see a good Center official bailing out from FTLE before this play develops. The Lead should probably be going across when he sees the play come down C's side, but C should be able to referee a 1 on 1 matchup with a screener pretty easily.

Could, should, would. Nonsense. You have an official looking at a screen AND a ball-handler and defender. So the two most important things are being looked at by one official while the other two do what? Lolligag, that's what.

This is the argument I expect to hear from coaches and athletic directors who think 3-person is a waste of $60, not from a thinking official.

You move to get the best look between the players. The best move here is a step or two UP, which you can't make when there's no L in position. The C holds his position when the L rotates over when it's the right thing to do, not 100% of the time. It's not bailing, it's using feet to improve the look, as Adam said.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.

You can tell the L hadn't rotated by the where the L eventually enters the frame....from an angle not on the same side as the foul.