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ballgame99 Fri Dec 05, 2014 02:50pm

Illegal Screen? (video)
 
Would like to hear some opinions on this video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/cy5LcYnzYrs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BigCat Fri Dec 05, 2014 02:55pm

54 white turns in to go to hole and delivers a blow. good call.

Adam Fri Dec 05, 2014 03:12pm

Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

Camron Rust Fri Dec 05, 2014 03:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 945756)
Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 05, 2014 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 945753)
Would like to hear some opinions on this video.

it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.

JRutledge Fri Dec 05, 2014 03:44pm

Really hard to tell.
 
I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace

jTheUmp Fri Dec 05, 2014 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 945756)
Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 05, 2014 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 945767)
I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace


Jeff:

I agree. This was a legal screen. It looked bad to the fans and coaches who are not versed in the rules of the game because the defender was small and bounced off the screener like a rubber ball thrown against a brick wall. But I believe the screener was penalized for being much bigger than the screenee.

MTD, Sr.

BryanV21 Fri Dec 05, 2014 06:24pm

I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 05, 2014 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 945792)
I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.


I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Fri Dec 05, 2014 06:34pm

Illegal Screen ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 945792)
I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

Agree, but I had to watch the video twice to be sure.

BigCat Fri Dec 05, 2014 07:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 945794)
I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, i thought the shoulder rotated in on the first view and i still think it now. not really dealing with the pivot. her top half turns and delivers a blow. just have to agree to disagree on this one.

AremRed Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 945766)
it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.

And posted by the real OP. :)

JetMetFan Sat Dec 06, 2014 01:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 945794)
I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Agreed. If we're not sure, don't call anything and I'm with JRut and MTDS. The screener didn't create the contact.

just another ref Sat Dec 06, 2014 02:09am

I have a foul.


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