Unmarked starters for JV game

[zm1283]

I would ask for starters to be marked at JV games around here. I can imagine a lot of officials wouldn't bother with a T if they didn't mark them though.

On this topic somewhat: I had two games in a tournament tonight. I'm the R for the first game and we come on the court. Both teams are in blue uniforms. We ask one of the kids what the deal is. They had brought blue instead of white like they were supposed to, so someone had to go get their whites. I went over at about the 11:00 mark to check the book. I went to that team's head coach and asked if their white uniforms had the same numbers as the blue uniforms they had on at the time, and he says they do.

Sure enough they go change with about 5 minutes on the clock. At about the 2:00 mark I see their head coach with a pencil in his hand at the table. Rut-roh. We go over and I ask the scorer what they did. They had changed a player's number to reflect the white jerseys. The scorer told me the other coach was fine with it but didn't really know what to do. We started the game with two free throws.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I would ask for starters to be marked at JV games around here. I can imagine a lot of officials wouldn't bother with a T if they didn't mark them though.

On this topic somewhat: I had two games in a tournament tonight. I'm the R for the first game and we come on the court. Both teams are in blue uniforms. We ask one of the kids what the deal is. They had brought blue instead of white like they were supposed to, so someone had to go get their whites. I went over at about the 11:00 mark to check the book. I went to that team's head coach and asked if their white uniforms had the same numbers as the blue uniforms they had on at the time, and he says they do.

Sure enough they go change with about 5 minutes on the clock. At about the 2:00 mark I see their head coach with a pencil in his hand at the table. Rut-roh. We go over and I ask the scorer what they did. They had changed a player's number to reflect the white jerseys. The scorer told me the other coach was fine with it but didn't really know what to do. We started the game with two free throws.

I'd T the team that did NOT bring the white uniforms, and NOT T the team that changed uniforms, even if that resulted in a number change.

See 3.4.1A

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd T the team that did NOT bring the white uniforms, and NOT T the team that changed uniforms, even if that resulted in a number change.

See 3.4.1A

I read the case play. I can see what you mean.

Penalize the team who was supposed to bring the whites, no matter which one actually ends up putting the whites on. Would you still penalize them if they changed before the game?

I'm pretty sure the team that ended up going to get their whites is the team that was supposed to wear them to begin with.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I read the case play. I can see what you mean.

Penalize the team who was supposed to bring the whites, no matter which one actually ends up putting the whites on. Would you still penalize them if they changed before the game?

I'm pretty sure the team that ended up going to get their whites is the team that was supposed to wear them to begin with.

Play 1) H shows up in blue. Changes to White. Ruling 1) Penalize any scorebook changes. No penalty just for changing uniforms.

Play 2) H shows up in blue. V changes to white. Ruling 2) Penalize H for illegal uniforms. Let V change, including numbers in book, with no penalty

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Play 1) H shows up in blue. Changes to White. Ruling 1) Penalize any scorebook changes. No penalty just for changing uniforms.

Play 2) H shows up in blue. V changes to white. Ruling 2) Penalize H for illegal uniforms. Let V change, including numbers in book, with no penalty

Got it. I'm fairly sure #1 is what happened, but I'm not positive. I just (maybe wrongly) assumed that the team that changed to white was supposed to wear white to start with. I'll make sure to ask next time. That was the first time in eight years I've had someone not show up in white uniforms.