N.C. State/Purdue (Video)

[refinks]

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back. Officials called the foul, then went to monitor to review it, but stayed with a common foul.

To me, this is about as clear of a flagrant 1 as you can get. Anybody see anything that might have caused the crew to stick with a common foul?

[Raymond]

John Adams just sent out a bulletin criticizing officials for not properly ruling some FF1 & 2 plays.

That said, I have not seen the play in question.

[westneat]

I would also like to see someone comment on the play noted in this article:

ACC Basketball: Strange ruling costs N.C. State a chance to tie Purdue - Fayetteville Observer: ACC Basketball

I don't work NCAA, but it sounds like the rule quoted is meant to apply to loose balls. His teammate is still holding the ball when he comes back in bounds, so he wouldn't be "first to touch".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by westneat

I would also like to see someone comment on the play noted in this article:

ACC Basketball: Strange ruling costs N.C. State a chance to tie Purdue - Fayetteville Observer: ACC Basketball

I don't work NCAA, but it sounds like the rule quoted is meant to apply to loose balls. His teammate is still holding the ball when he comes back in bounds, so he wouldn't be "first to touch".

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

Here's the NC State-Clemson video from the article, would you call this?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Here's the NC State-Clemson video from the article, would you call this?
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Nope, not that one.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nope, not that one.

Not disagreeing, but why not?

[westneat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

Thanks!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not disagreeing, but why not?

The contact from the defender.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back. Officials called the foul, then went to monitor to review it, but stayed with a common foul.

To me, this is about as clear of a flagrant 1 as you can get. Anybody see anything that might have caused the crew to stick with a common foul?

Originally Posted by APG

By definition, that is an Intentional/F1 but it is often called an common.

[refinks]

So then I guess I'm missing something, why would an official go common foul on that instead of the correct rule which would be an intentional/F1? To me that is a clear cut and dry textbook intentional/F1 every time, but it sounds like it isn't called that way, I'm just wondering why.

At the level I work, I can guarantee if I didn't call that an intentional foul, I'd be hearing from my assignor and probably losing games.

[JRutledge]

No I would not call this intentional or FF1. This is marginal for those classifications at best.

Peace

[refinks]

JRutledge,

How do you consider this marginal? We have a clear 2 hand shove in the back, and no attempt to play the ball. So I'm curious as to why you consider this to be marginal. To me it's a no-brainer, especially at the high school and lower level.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

This is a rule differene from fed, isn't it? As I understand NFHS as long as you re-establish in bounds all is good, right?