Illegal Undershirts Prior to Start of Game

[LRZ]

I don't like playing fashion police. At a JV game, Team A (the home team) was wearing warm-ups in their pre-game; at the captains meeting, coaches certified that everyone was legal and properly unformed. As we get ready for the tip, I notice A1 with a white undershirt but A2 with a black undershirt. I quietly ask the visiting coach if he wants me to make an issue of A2, he says no, so we play on. In the JV game before ours, one kid had a camo undershirt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I don't like playing fashion police. At a JV game, Team A (the home team) was wearing warm-ups in their pre-game; at the captains meeting, coaches certified that everyone was legal and properly unformed. As we get ready for the tip, I notice A1 with a white undershirt but A2 with a black undershirt. I quietly ask the visiting coach if he wants me to make an issue of A2, he says no, so we play on. In the JV game before ours, one kid had a camo undershirt.

So you're taking advice from a coach rather than fixing the problem for the next group of officials, officials who do not ignore simple "Fashion Police" rules, that work Team A's future games.

I don't like playing "Fashion Police" either, but I do it. I don't want to be the official that the coach talks about when he says, "but the official at Tuesday night's game let us wear those undershirts."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So you're taking advice from a coach rather than fixing the problem for the next group of officials, officials who do not ignore simple "Fashion Police" rules, that work Team A's future games.

I don't like playing "Fashion Police" either, but I do it. I don't want to be the official that the coach talks about when he says, "but the official at Tuesday night's game let us wear those undershirts."

Billy:

I could not have said it better.

MTD, Sr.

[zm1283]

I have never asked a coach if he was okay with something the other team was doing. Bad habit to get into.

[bainsey]

FWIW, there's a loophole to this rule that's come in handy in middle school contests, where uniforms can be a little big, and upper body skin is sensitive subject matter.

If a player has an illegally colored undershirt, I ask, "Coach, follow me now, is she wearing that t-shirt for religious reasons?" Once the answer is yes, we're off the hook.

I don't do this in a high school game.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bainsey

FWIW, there's a loophole to this rule that's come in handy in middle school contests, where uniforms can be a little big, and upper body skin is sensitive subject matter.

If a player has an illegally colored undershirt, I ask, "Coach, follow me now, is she wearing that t-shirt for religious reasons?" Once the answer is yes, we're off the hook.

I don't do this in a high school game.

I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I've never heard of a t-shirt being worn for religious reasons. Underwear? Yes. But t-shirts?

How about having coaches and players just follow the rules? They learn, and you don't create headaches for other officials that actually care for the rules.

With that said, if I'm told that something is worn for religious reasons, then I'm not going to push it. But I'm sure as hell not going to present a loophole... I'm not their lawyer.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bainsey

FWIW, there's a loophole to this rule that's come in handy in middle school contests, where uniforms can be a little big, and upper body skin is sensitive subject matter.

If a player has an illegally colored undershirt, I ask, "Coach, follow me now, is she wearing that t-shirt for religious reasons?" Once the answer is yes, we're off the hook.

I don't do this in a high school game.

there is not a loophole and you are not off the hook. you can get a religous exception for headwear for sure and likely other things but you have to go through the official state association to get it. you cant just show up on game day and declare religion...

and if it was religious the player could probably get the proper colored shirt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

... there's a loophole to this rule ... If a player has an illegally colored undershirt, I ask, "Coach, follow me now, is she wearing that t-shirt for religious reasons?" Once the answer is yes, we're off the hook.

Sorry bainsey. No NFHS loophole for undershirts for religious reasons. See your tax accountant and he may be able to come up with a more acceptable loophole.

NOTE: Each state association may, in keeping with applicable laws, authorize exceptions
to NFHS playing rules to provide reasonable accommodations to individual participants
with disabilities and/or special needs, as well as those individuals with unique and
extenuating circumstances. The accommodations should not fundamentally alter the
sport, allow an otherwise illegal piece of equipment, create risk to the athlete/others or
place opponents at a disadvantage.

EXCEPTION: State associations may on an individual basis permit a player to participate
while wearing a head covering if it meets the following criteria:
a. For medical or cosmetic reasons – In the event a participant is required by a licensed
medical physician to cover his/her head with a covering or wrap, the physician's
statement is required before the state association can approve a covering or wrap
which is not abrasive, hard or dangerous to any other player and which is attached
in such a way it is highly unlikely that it will come off during play.
b. For religious reasons – In the event there is documented evidence provided to the
state association that a participant may not expose his/her uncovered head, the state
association may approve a covering or wrap which is not abrasive, hard or
dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly
unlikely it will come off during play.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sorry bainsey. No NFHS loophole for undershirts for religious reasons. See your tax accountant and he may be able to come up with a more acceptable loophole.

I should have prefaced this with "check local listings," a.k.a. "Roman law applies." Some readers have associations that allow for leniency; some don't.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I don't like playing fashion police. At a JV game, Team A (the home team) was wearing warm-ups in their pre-game; at the captains meeting, coaches certified that everyone was legal and properly unformed. As we get ready for the tip, I notice A1 with a white undershirt but A2 with a black undershirt. I quietly ask the visiting coach if he wants me to make an issue of A2, he says no, so we play on. In the JV game before ours, one kid had a camo undershirt.

Eventually they are going to run into people that do follow the rules. Not doing it yourself just makes the problem worse.