Illegal Undershirts Prior to Start of Game

[Rich]

I'd let them fix it and wait a minute or two.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd let them fix it and wait a minute or two.

Glad I'm not the only one.

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by Adam

Glad I'm not the only one.

Me too

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Glad I'm not the only one.

It's a pretty basic, obvious rule. undershirts have to match. in a high school game i tell them to give me 3 other starters. It's just another call. waiting for them to run to the locker room and change etc. rewards them. i don't think i'm nitpicking when they can't get an obvious rule straight. i let them play for a minute without their starters. they will probably figure it out/take it serious the next game…
a grade school game i can see waiting…

[BryanV21]

Why cause a problem? Just let them change their shirts and delay the game a couple of minutes. I understand not wanting to hold the game up for it, but I don't see the big deal.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't see the big deal.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Why cause a problem? Just let them change their shirts and delay the game a couple of minutes.

I'm sure the opposing coach who knows the rule wouldn't consider your suspending of a clear rule a "big deal", especially if you were doing it solely for personal convenience, not wanting to "cause a problem".

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I'm sure the opposing coach who knows the rule wouldn't consider your suspending of a clear rule a "big deal", especially if you were doing it solely for personal convenience, not wanting to "cause a problem".

I'm not suspending anything. The rule *allows* a change in starter for an illegal shirt -- it does NOT forbid me from giving 30 seconds to a minute for a player to change the shirt.

It would take longer to explain the rule to the coach and require new starters and get them properly marked in the book for me to let the kid(s) change out of the illegal shirts.

Sometimes it's better for you and for the game to put a little oil on that wheel.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm not suspending anything. The rule *allows* a change in starter for an illegal shirt -- it does NOT forbid me from giving 30 seconds to a minute for a player to change the shirt.

It would take longer to explain the rule to the coach and require new starters and get them properly marked in the book for me to let the kid(s) change out of the illegal shirts.

Sometimes it's better for you and for the game to put a little oil on that wheel.

I'm all for tactful application of petroleum product to expedite the process and get on to all the non-fashion police aspects of the game.
I'm also aware that there are two specific coaches in our area, each adept at the rules, who would make this an issue if we granted the leeway I'd probably otherwise give with other coaches who could care less.
Therefore I'd hesitate to make a blanket policy to cover my setting aside a rule. Sometimes? Perhaps. Always? Um, no.
And no, I don't tend to be an O.O.O. Just hate it for the phone to ring and it being my assigner on the other end. Cuz his first question is gonna be, "Can I support your decision by rule?"
Then again, not such a big deal, cuz we'll probably catch it during warmups anyway.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I'm sure the opposing coach who knows the rule wouldn't consider your suspending of a clear rule a "big deal", especially if you were doing it solely for personal convenience, not wanting to "cause a problem".

What "clear rule" is being suspended??

There is nothing in the rule book that says we can't send the kid to change and take an extra 30 seconds before we toss the ball.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Why cause a problem? Just let them change their shirts and delay the game a couple of minutes. I understand not wanting to hold the game up for it, but I don't see the big deal.

Thx Bryan,

If they can correct it within a minute that's fine. rule says it is supposed to be a T to delay game for more than a minute. so they can delay game by less than a minute. that should be enough time to fix it so your likely not going to have to replace starters etc. However, if they can't fix it in a minute i don't have any problem telling them to replace them. i won't wait minutes for this one.

as i said, its not a big deal--just another call. so the starters check in at the first dead ball... the referee didn't cause the problem. if it was a new rule or something obscure id look at it differently. But this is 5th grade stuff--coaching 101…having 3 players, who i assume are on a varsity team, come out with black shirts under white uniforms falls into the major coaching/player screwup category. there may be things id delay longer than a minute for….this isn't one of them.
i do agree with Rich that some times putting oil on the wheel is better…i just don't see this situation as needing it. thx

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Thx Bryan,

If they can correct it within a minute that's fine. rule says it is supposed to be a T to delay game for more than a minute. so they can delay game by less than a minute. that should be enough time to fix it so your likely not going to have to replace starters etc. However, if they can't fix it in a minute i don't have any problem telling them to replace them. i won't wait minutes for this one.

as i said, its not a big deal--just another call. so the starters check in at the first dead ball... the referee didn't cause the problem. if it was a new rule or something obscure id look at it differently. But this is 5th grade stuff--coaching 101…having 3 players, who i assume are on a varsity team, come out with black shirts under white uniforms falls into the major coaching/player screwup category. there may be things id delay longer than a minute for….this isn't one of them.
i do agree with Rich that some times putting oil on the wheel is better…i just don't see this situation as needing it. thx

It normally takes them 30 seconds to go into the hallway and come back. It's like magic. They don't have to go to the locker room. That still gives him a few seconds to throw his illegal undershirt to his girlfriend.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

It normally takes them 30 seconds to go into the hallway and come back. It's like magic. They don't have to go to the locker room. That still gives him a few seconds to throw his illegal undershirt to his girlfriend.

i agree it really shouldn't ever be an issue. but a team goofy enough to have 3 starters with black undershirts may send them all the way to the locker room, instead of telling them to take them off in the hall…..

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by SCRef1983

Am I wrong in saying NFHS rule book states:
Undershirts can be black, white, beige or dominate color of jersey so long as all players wear the same color

Yes you are wrong.

[SCRef1983]

Just found the rule. Got arm sleeves and under shirts confused.

[RedKillian]

I'm surprised so many would let them go and change. The coach confirmed his players were legally equipped. Make him pay for his mistake, he won't make it again. Would you delay the game so a sub could go and change? Probably not, so why the starters?