Throw in Violation and location

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

1) Endline throw in by A1 travels to mid-court and is first touched by A2 who is standing out of bounds (standing with a foot touching the sideline).

Two rules seem to conflict:

9-2-11: No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after the designated-spot throw in begins -- this appears to have been violated as A2 was out of bounds after the throw in began, and would suggest that B's throw in is on the endline at the original throw-in spot.

4-42-5: The throw-in ends when: b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out of bounds -- this appears to suggest that the throw in ends with the touch and the throw in for B would be at the sideline spot by the out of bounds violation. But if A was out of bounds for the touch, then they must have been out of bounds after the throw in began (and before it ended), which violates 9-2-11.

So... would you consider this a throw-in violation and bring the ball back to the original spot for B's throw-in, or is this different?

Many years ago, if the throwin was first touched by B2, who is standing out of bounds, it would be considered a throwin violation by Team A, and Team B would get the ball back at the original spot of the throwin.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Many years ago, if the throwin was first touched by B2, who is standing out of bounds, it would be considered a throwin violation by Team A, and Team B would get the ball back at the original spot of the throwin.

I am not sure if that was the way it was or that was the way some were interpreting it to be.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I am not sure if that was the way it was or that was the way some were interpreting it to be.

The way I remember it, it must have been quietly changed because the rule said as much, then they quietly changed it back to where it is now.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I am not sure if that was the way it was or that was the way some were interpreting it to be.

That was the way it was. Back then, the situation was treated the same as if the throwin ball hit an out of bounds wall (untouched by anybody inbounds). It was a casebook play interpretation. There was no distinction between a player out of bounds, and an object out of bounds, for this specific situation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Freddy

9-2-6: The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player.

If the "roll" started in the OOB area, that violates 9-2-2: "The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court..."

Cf. PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation...occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot."

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Many years ago, if the throwin was first touched by B2, who is standing out of bounds, it would be considered a throwin violation by Team A, and Team B would get the ball back at the original spot of the throwin.

BillyMac:

Yes I do. Fortunately it was a short lived rule.

MTD, Sr.