Plays: Elephant vs. Gnat

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I left it alone because, as the L, I would have had no credibility making that call. I can't speak for the C b/c I have no idea what other matchups he had and I do not believe A1 was closely guarded at any time for him to stay on the play as it left him. But in our conversation of the play, the C did say he saw it. I had closed down in preparation of rotating, then I saw A1 come into my peripheral has he brought the ball strong side. I then took a couple steps back from close down as I mirrored the ball. So I know the violation definitely occurred fully in the Trail's primary

But I wonder, if there were 10-15 seconds left in a tied ballgame, would it change our thinking on this. Would we want to have to watch film of an obvious violation followed by a game-winning shot, or would we then consider this violation an elephant based on time & score?

If everyone in the gym saw it and one of the crew didn't see it, then we need to get it. I don't think you'd have any credibility issues because everyone knows it's the right call.

You might have to explain why you actually saw it but you just explained it to us

[Camron Rust]

I once had a very veteran and accomplished partner make that call from the L with me as the trail covering a play at the division line.

A1 dribbled into a trap and picked up his dribble. One of the defenders knocked it out of his hands and A1 then smartly played the ball by starting a new dribble to get out of the trap.

My partner knew the A1 was dribbling, knew A1 ended his dribble, and even knew that A1 dribbled again. He came out to get the call think he was saving the crew. However, the one piece he didn't know was that the defender knocked the ball out of A1's hands.

A's coach called him on it and he stuck with the call, even after talking to me.

When you get on from that far away, you have to eliminate EVERY possibility that might make it different than you think.

[BryanV21]

I'll give my partner the chance to make the call since it's in his PCA, but as long as the call is right I'm not concerned with where the play happened. I'm concerned with getting the call right.

With that said, though, I agree that I have to be 100% sure the call is correct or else I'm leaving it alone. If I wasn't sure, then my response to the OP would be "I was pretty sure I saw a double dribble there, but not sure enough that I was willing to make that call from 20ft away."

We're not all perfect, so we're going to miss calls. As partners we should "pick each other up" when help is needed.

Oh, and the time of the game means nothing to me. If only the last minute of a game mattered then why would we play the other 31? Unless the rule book said otherwise... which it doesn't.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

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Oh, and the time of the game means nothing to me. If only the last minute of a game mattered then why would we play the other 31? Unless the rule book said otherwise... which it doesn't.

You'll learn whether you agree or not, that there is a difference.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You'll learn whether you agree or not, that there is a difference.

Ok... why would you call a game differently at certain times?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Ok... why would you call a game differently at certain times?

Over an entire season both Official A and Official B have an overall 90% rating for call accuracy.

Official A is 95% accurate in the last minute of games.

Official B is 85% accurate in the last minute of games.

Who do you think will be more favorable in the eyes of the supervisor?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Over an entire season both Official A and Official B have an overall 90% rating for call accuracy.

Official A is 95% accurate in the last minute of games.

Official B is 85% accurate in the last minute of games.

Who do you think will be more favorable in the eyes of the supervisor?

I'm replying to this since you deleted or edited the post I replied to just a minute ago.

And again... I agree with what you're saying, but this doesn't mean it's okay to call a play differently at the end of the game than at any other time during the contest.

Being scrutinized more for calls at the end of a game does not mean it's okay to kick earlier calls. It just means your going to catch more flak for the ones you miss at the end.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll just ask you this.

On Monday you miss a double dribble in the 2nd quarter.

On Wednesday you miss a double dribble with 10 seconds left in the game and the offender goes on to hit the game winning basket on that play.

Which one of those plays will is going to cause a phone call from a supervisor?

You should call the game the way you call the game. But supervisors expect us to be at our best when the game is on the line. We are going to miss a call here and there every game. But misses in the last minute are going to stick in the boss' mind.

While I agree with what you're saying, that doesn't mean it's okay to have missed the first double dribble (the one on Monday in the 2nd quarter).

If I make a call at the end of a game that I didn't make earlier, it's not because I was dictated to do so by the time or situation of the game. I simply kicked one of the calls.

On that note, if I call a foul earlier in the game but pass on a similar foul later in the game, a supervisor may want to know why. And an answer of "well, it was in the final minute, and I didn't want to make a call that could affect the game" would probably not fly.