Backcourt or not

[just another ref]

Unless I'm forgetting something, the plane of the division line has no significance in any play.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Unless I'm forgetting something, the plane of the division line has no significance in any play.

It matters on the 10 second back court count, doesn't it?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It matters on the 10 second back court count, doesn't it?

No. The ball has to touch something in the frontcourt to gain frontcourt status. If it's in the air from backcourt to frontcourt it retains the same status as when it was last in contact with a player or the court. (NFHS 4-4-3, NCAA 7-5-1.1).

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It matters on the 10 second back court count, doesn't it?

I was told early on in my training "The ball and players are where they were until they get where they are going."

Seems to work fine...at least in my simple mind.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It matters on the 10 second back court count, doesn't it?

The plane of the division line never has any significance.

[letemplay]

Visualize that plane to make a straight toss on opening (and/or OT) tip?

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Adam

The plane of the division line never has any significance.

I seem to recall re-tosses in jump ball situations where the ball was tossed poorly. (This is not the original topic, and not a big issue, but never and always, are highly suspect.)

What is used to determine a jump ball was thrown correctly by the official?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I seem to recall re-tosses in jump ball situations where the ball was tossed poorly. (This is not the original topic, and not a big issue, but never and always, are highly suspect.)

What is used to determine a jump ball was thrown correctly by the official?

That would be a straight line, not a plane. The toss could be completely within the plane and still horrible.

Originally Posted by SamIAm

What is used to determine a jump ball was thrown correctly by the official?

Judgement.

Originally Posted by Adam

That would be a straight line, not a plane. The toss could be completely within the plane and still horrible.

I always use the intersection of two vertical, perpendicular planes to toss the ball correctly.

[Kansas Ref]

I've seen more casesof "jump ball" tosses with something erroneus occuring than I thought I would. Cases when both players jump to tap ball, but other player grabbing the tapped ball before it hits the floor after a simultaneous tap effort.
Jumpers "stealing" the jump ball.
And dare I say here---non-jumping players continually moving around and shuffling prior to the tap

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I seem to recall re-tosses in jump ball situations where the ball was tossed poorly. (This is not the original topic, and not a big issue, but never and always, are highly suspect.)

What is used to determine a jump ball was thrown correctly by the official?

It's like pornography. I can't define it very well, but I know it when I see it.

I guess, basically, if one or both of the jumpers is at a disadvantage due to a bad toss it should be re-done.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bryanv21

it's like pornography. I can't define it very well, but i know it when i see it.

I guess, basically, if one or both of the jumpers is at a disadvantage due to a bad toss it should be re-done.

nfhs 6-3-4

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Unless I'm forgetting something, the plane of the division line has no significance in any play.

+10

MTD, Sr.