New NFHS Free Throw Rule.

[Raymond]

I mean BENCH PERSONNEL. You know, where the coaches hang out. You asked what makes it more obvious and now you want qualify your question after the fact.

When have I ever took into consideration what fans think in anything I've ever posted Billy?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When have I ever took into consideration what fans think in anything I've ever posted Billy?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I mean BENCH PERSONNEL.

Sorry about the mix up. I really couldn't figure out what you meant by nonparticipants.

The only important thing about the new (old) rule is what the officials are observing. With the exception of the lead getting a better look at the shooter, we're basically watching, and calling, the same stuff that we watched, and called, before.

I have no problem with the new (old) rule, but I am of the opinion that the lead's job will be a little more difficult, having to get a clear view to watch the release by the shooter, whereas before, the lead could use his peripheral vision to watch for, and also listen, for the ball to hit. Now the shooter has to (almost) be in the lead's primary.



I'm also a little apprehensive about several players, all crowded in the lane, all trying for a rebound, getting an extra second (flight of the ball) with the new rule.

Unlike many on the Forum, I was officiating when we went from the release to the hit, and although it was wasn't a big change, it was a little easier to officiate with the "new" hit rule. Not by much, but it was a little easier.

I do like the rule change for one reason, because, now, the high school, college, and professional, rule sets will all be similar for this situation.

I'll adjust. I've adjusted to a lot of other changes over thirty-four years.

I still don't see why violations will be more obvious under the new rule.

[Sharpshooternes]

Can someone discuss trail responsibilities on free throws and my thinking that it would be nice for trail to be responsible for everyone outside the 3 point line?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can someone discuss trail responsibilities on free throws and my thinking that it would be nice for trail to be responsible for everyone outside the 3 point line?

Two or three person?

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can someone discuss trail responsibilities on free throws and my thinking that it would be nice for trail to be responsible for everyone outside the 3 point line?

Interestingly, the IAABO manual doesn't say anything about who is responsible for players outside marked lane spaces in 2-person or 3-person. That being said, logic dictates the T would handle those players.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Interestingly, the IAABO manual doesn't say anything about who is responsible for players outside marked lane spaces in 2-person or 3-person.

It's the honor system. The players call violations on themselves.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's the honor system. The players call violations on themselves.

Bill:

I am laughing so hard I can hardly type. Back in the ancient days of women's college basketball when the National Association for Girls and Women in Sport (NAGWS) wrote the rules for women's college basketball there was a section at the front of the rules book every year entitled: HONOR CALLS.

The section read as such:

"The joint NAGWS-AAU basketball rules committee supports the official position of the National Association for Girls and Women in Sport that sport participants should be encouraged to acknowledge fouls and violations when appropriate.

"The Joint Committee does not, at this time, specify specific honor calls; however, it is understood that players should recognize their improprieties.

"This position is justified in light of the committee's belief that sport is a positive force in solidarity, encourages integrity, provides enriching encounters is an education experience and a reflection of our society's valuable qualities."

Not once in all of the years that I officiated women's college basketball when it was played under NAGWS Rules did I have a player make an honor call on herself. I officiated many heated Division I games between Univ. of Miami (UM) and Florida International Univ. (FIU), UM and Florida State (FSU), FIU and FSU, UM and Univ. of Florida (UF), and FIU and UF. It just never would have happened.

But, I will say one thing, after every game, my partner and I would meet at center court and every player and coach from both teams would line up and shake our hands and thank us for officiating the game, even after tournament games. Can you see that happening now, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... sport participants should be encouraged to acknowledge fouls and violations when appropriate.

We've discussed this on the Forum in the past (love the Bryon collared shirt):

http://www.values.com/inspirational-...106-Basketball

And from another sport:

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I still don't see why violations will be more obvious under the new rule.

I agree with this, because I think of "obvious" as "obvious to the calling official", but I see BNR's point as "obvious to everyone in the gym, especially the coaches." Basically, more difficult to question. I'll add, though, that I've never really had a coach question this call (and I make 2 or 3 lane violation calls a year, probably), so I don't see a difference.

[Kansas Ref]

Well in our state the new FT rule does not go into effect until Nov 1st, so all of the summer league games I've reffed (and am reffing now) are utilizing the current NFHS rule. No reason for teams to be using a rule that theoretially does not 'exist' as of yet; however, when the rule does go into effect I know there will be the usual array of missed calls and mistaken calls which is typical for the implementation of novel rules. I expect that FT shooters who use a "hitch" in their release will draw lane violations from both their team mates and opponents. (by 'hitch' in the FT shot, rem'ber like grand-mama larry johnson used to shoot his FTs: holding the ball high and just before releasing FT he would stop in mid-form and pause for a second, then release the shot).

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

No reason for teams to be using a rule that theoretically does not 'exist' as of yet;

Do those leagues think the rule change is going to be rescinded before November or something? They don't want to get anyone's hopes up?

[Kansas Ref]

That rule will not be rescinded at all, it has already been determined to go into effect; however, since it does not exist yet, the leagues are correctly using the current NFHS rule. I have no problem with that and niether should any coaches or players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

That rule will not be rescinded at all, it has already been determined to go into effect; however, since it does not exist yet, the leagues are correctly using the current NFHS rule. I have no problem with that and niether should any coaches or players.

Isn't the purpose of playing summer ball is to prepare for the upcoming season? Not sure what you mean by the rule does not exist yet. I would assume if a up coming Freshman can play with their high school and they are not exactly a Freshman yet until the school year starts either if we use that logic. I guess, not big deal just sounds like weird logic not to apply a new rule.

Peace