The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:56am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 7,645
New NFHS Free Throw Rule.

Now that we have had a summer of camps using the new rule in preparation of the coming year, how did everybody find the teams adjusting to the new rule?

My observations were as such: The boys adjusted very well. BUT, the girls were a horse of different color. I found that the girls were even worse than under the old rule. I could not believe how many times I had players in the lane before the shooter had released the ball and calling the violation did not teach the players any lessons.

Just my observations.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:32pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 265
What I saw this summer more than anything were line violations by shooters, more by girls but also a fair number of boys as well. I simply chalked it up to them not being used to seeing people go into the lane before they could ... so when the shooters saw movement, they simply moved as well.

Seems like this will be the kind of thing that goes away as everyone makes the adjustment to the new rule.
__________________
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:45pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 13,366
All summer games that I worked using NFHS rules used the old the rule.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:16pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 106
I found the teams adjusted pretty well although there were a couple of late game situations where one team just didn't react at all to the release. Opposing got an uncontested rebound or putback...

But these were only in blowout games where the attentions weren't quite there...

From my own perspective I missed my fair share of these calls (someone left early before the release and I didn't call it or missed it)...more so than I would have liked. I'm going to have to make myself much more aware to watch for this in my early season games until i get more comfortable looking for it. Not the biggest thing in the world to learn, but I was surprised that I missed as many as I did over the summer.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Orange, NJ
Posts: 2,583
I had more than a few occasions where the players who weren't in marked lane spaces violated by breaking the plane of the 3-point line/FTLE because they thought the new rule applied to them. Some of their coaches believed that to be the case as well. I know there were some worries expressed here that those violations might increase, I just didn't think folks would be that clueless.

Silly me.
__________________
"Everyone has a purpose in life, even if it's only to serve as a bad example."
"If Opportunity knocks and he's not home, Opportunity waits..."
"Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?" "Not until 4."
"The NCAA created this mess, so let them live with it." (JRutledge)

Last edited by JetMetFan; Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 04:43am.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:22pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
All summer games that I worked using NFHS rules used the old the rule.
Why would they do that?
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:29pm
Statistician/Ref Hybrid
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
Posts: 991
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
I had more than a few occasions where the players who weren't in marked lane spaces violated by breaking the plane of the 3-point line/FTLE because they thought the new rule applied to them.
At my camp this summer, this is what our contact from the state office told us the new rule now allowed.
__________________
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible." Dalai Lama

The center of attention as the lead & trail. me
Games officiated: 406 Basketball 73 Softball 16 Baseball
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:32pm
Show up, keep up, shut up
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,507
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
Why would they do that?
I worked a tournament that did this. I asked why and was told the new 2014-2015 rules changes do not take effect until the school year starts in August.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 05:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,464
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed View Post
I worked a tournament that did this. I asked why and was told the new 2014-2015 rules changes do not take effect until the school year starts in August.
Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:38pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 7,645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.

While I agree that it is smart for team camps to incorporate the new rules the national organization (AAU, YBOA, and AYBT, etc.) use the previous season's rule: This year the national tournaments for the organizations were played using 2013-14 rules.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:23pm
Show up, keep up, shut up
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,507
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
Yeah I agree. It was just those few games though, all other games I did this summer were on the release.

I was initially surprised at the number of 3 point line violations, I thought the kids would have been told. Then I remembered I was dealing with AAU coaches. I'm sure it won't be a problem during the high school season. Fouls during jostling of rebounding position on the other hand....
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 09:26pm
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,649
I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:50pm
C'mon man!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 963
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
I had more than a few occasions where the players who weren't in marked lane spaces violated by breaking the plane of the 3-point line/FTLE because they thought the new rule applied to them. Some of their coaches believed that to be the case as well. I know there were some worries expressed here that those violation might increase, I just didn't think folks would be that clueless.

Silly me.
Jet met, this is the same problem that I saw. Shooters and those on the lane lines did fine. Many coaches and players thought the "on the release applied to everyone except the shooter.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:57pm
Show up, keep up, shut up
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,507
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
I saw a few and was dying to bust them on it, but every time I saw it the shooter made the FT! Stupid delayed violations....
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:15am
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 17,769
Inquiring Minds Want To Know ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
When are they (defenders) allowed to break the plane (going "backward") of the free throw line? I know that the shooter must wait for the "hit".
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

I was in prison and you came to visit me. (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Free Throw Question (NFHS) Raymond Basketball 10 Wed Oct 30, 2013 06:08am
[NFHS] Violation on free throw shooter? Afrosheen Basketball 56 Tue Apr 30, 2013 03:44pm
Free throw administration for NFHS California referee50 Basketball 29 Mon Nov 23, 2009 09:56pm
NFHS Free throw change WreckRef Basketball 28 Thu Jun 25, 2009 02:46pm
Free Throw Rule Tom g Basketball 4 Wed Jan 17, 2001 02:32pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:54am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1