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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:51am
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"Trail, Don't Bail!" (Center, Neither)

One key mechanic that's going to be all-the-more important is for C and T (T in two-person) not to bail on the FT release. Stepping down on the shot and providing avid surveillance of rebounding action in respective areas will be of utmost significance and necessity. Partners accustomed to bail on the release will put a crew in tough situations. Confident, accurate foul calls while striding the opposite way seem quite contrary to nature.
Watch video from throughout the nation. This is gonna be a challenging habit to break in many, many officials. Locally, this has got to be a specific POE.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:04am
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Why would they do that?
I don't know. I just assume they (AAU) feel their season is an extension of the scholastic season as far as rules. They get started here in late March, so maybe they don't want to change the rules in the middle of their "season".
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:06am
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Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
The folks who run summer ball here have no connection to the high schools; maybe they don't feel it's their concern to worry about what the HS coaches need to adjust to. Also, maybe they want to utilize only rules that are publicized in a rule book.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:29am
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I don't know. I just assume they (AAU) feel their season is an extension of the scholastic season as far as rules. They get started here in late March, so maybe they don't want to change the rules in the middle of their "season".
This actually makes sense. I figured there was a good reason.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:47am
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I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
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I saw a few and was dying to bust them on it, but every time I saw it the shooter made the FT! Stupid delayed violations....
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When are they (defenders) allowed to break the plane (going "backward") of the free throw line? I know that the shooter must wait for the "hit".
There's no violation for going "backward" into the FT semicircle assuming the player did so within the parameters of the rule, i.e., (s)he left their lane space after the try was released. The only option for penalizing the defensive team would be a foul for contacting the thrower if it's warranted.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:07am
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There's no violation for going "backward" into the FT semicircle assuming the player did so within the parameters of the rule, i.e., (s)he left their lane space after the try was released. The only option for penalizing the defensive team would be a foul for contacting the thrower if it's warranted.
I haven't seen a 2014-15 rulebook, but I was officiating for quite a while before the "wait till it hits" rule was put into the book.

Before the rule changed years ago, the defender was not allowed to break the plane of the FT line until the ball hit as defenders were aggressively boxing out shooters while they were in their follow-through. I'm guessing that rule was quietly removed when the rule changed and it will be interesting to see if it makes a return.
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I had more than a few occasions where the players who weren't in marked lane spaces violated by breaking the plane of the 3-point line/FTLE because they thought the new rule applied to them. Some of their coaches believed that to be the case as well. I know there were some worries expressed here that those violations might increase, I just didn't think folks would be that clueless.

Silly me.
I experienced this early in the summer season too......"oh, just in the lane spaces? Got it ref."

Even go the question, "Can the shooter leave on the release?" several times.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:08pm
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This actually makes sense. I figured there was a good reason.
Late in my summer season, I had plenty of coaches reminding me that the other team was coming in on the release instead of the hit.
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I had no problems with the rules. I work college so it was like riding an old bike. It worked out well and in a couple of cases things were rough, but you call the fouls and that went away.

I love the rule and it is no different than officiating rebounding action in any other part of the game.

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I love the rule and it is no different than officiating rebounding action in any other part of the game.
Why do you love the rule?
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:10pm
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:18pm
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Before the rule changed years ago, the defender was not allowed to break the plane of the FT line until the ball hit as defenders were aggressively boxing out shooters while they were in their follow-through.
Good point Rich. I forgot all about this rule. I also forgot where I put my car keys this morning.

1996-97 (A year before they changed release to hit) NFHS Basketball Rulebook

9-9: No opponent occupying a marked lane space shall break the plane of the free throw line. Note: The restriction applies until the ball touches the ring, or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

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I haven't seen a 2014-15 rulebook ... it will be interesting to see if it makes a return.
How much you wanna bet that it won't make a return because the editor failed to recognize all the ramifications of this recent rule change?
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I started this thread just to post my observations this summer, LOL, and it has now started on the path to the dark side and it looks like I am going to have to climb up into the attic before the start of the season and do some historical research.

But I am glad that the thread has started the group toward getting ready for the new season even though it is August.

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Old Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:29pm
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Why do you love the rule?
Because it was the worst rules change I can think of in my career in the first place. Hardly anyone called the violation and it required officials to split hairs in order to call a violation in many cases. I hated the old rule.

Is that good enough for you?

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I can't tell if this is a sincere question or sarcastic. My question was sincere, I genuinely wanted to know what you thought.
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