Block/PC + Positioning (video)

[JetMetFan]

I guess I'm still in camp learning/teaching mode...after 8 of them. Or 9. I lost count.

In my never ending search for plays I saw this one and it brought to mind a few things picked up over the summer, especially in my last two camps.





I put in freezes at three points in the replay.

1. The L is at close down as the play comes into frontcourt on his side. Also, his shoulders are parallel to the end line. I heard more than a few times: If the ball is coming down the L's "lane" - between the sideline and FTLE on their side - go to a point between wide angle and close down to work outside in. Also, keep your shoulders at a 45-degree angle to the end line.

2. The L's body is facing the wrong way, meaning he won't be able to see into the lane (which is where the BH/dribbler is going) without turning his head and body all the way around. This leads to...

3. I froze the video at the point where it appears the defender had both feet on the floor with her torso facing the new BH/dribbler. I'm not sure whether the call was correct because I can't see the defender's heels but in relation to the RA but I feel it should have been a PC. Regardless, I think the L was guessing on whether the defender obtained LGP...and it all goes back to point #1.

Yes, I now realize/remember it wouldn't be an RA play due to the offensive player beginning her move in the LDB...my mistake. See below.

D. Williamson spoke to us in DC about not being "sucked into the paint" as the L. She joked that she's going to call every school and ask them to check for a black hole next to the lane that draws in all of us. I know I'm going to try to be more conscious in 3-person games but also in my HS/2-person games.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

3. I froze the video at the point where it appears the defender had both feet on the floor with her torso facing the new BH/dribbler. I'm not sure whether the call was correct because I can't see the defender's heels but in relation to the RA but I feel it should have been a PC. Regardless, I think the L was guessing on whether the defender obtained LGP...and it all goes back to point #1.

With regard to whether the defender's heels are in the RA...I'd argue it wouldn't matter as the player catches the ball in the LDB and thus the play originated from there making the RA moot.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by APG

I'd argue it wouldn't matter as the player catches the ball in the LDB and thus the play originated from there making the RA moot.

Agreed.

And I also agree about the positioning of the L, but in this case the C should have had a good look at black 14 and be able to provide info to the L if necessary.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

And I also agree about the positioning of the L, but in this case the C should have had a good look at black 14 and be able to provide info to the L if necessary.

I thought about the C but it's still clearly the L's call. If he doesn't put a whistle on it that's another story.

Also, I don't think he (was making my mistake and) calling the block because of the RA. I'm not 100% sure because the shot cut away too fast and this broadcast didn't have replays.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Not to change the subject but isn't the same official who chased the ball out the doors to retrieve it?

MTD, Sr.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Not to change the subject but isn't the same official who chased the ball out the doors to retrieve it?

MTD, Sr.

Yes it is! Hopefully he doesn't see this and think I'm picking on him

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by APG

With regard to whether the defender's heels are in the RA...I'd argue it wouldn't matter as the player catches the ball in the LDB and thus the play originated from there making the RA moot.

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Agreed.

Thanks. I forgot. A good indication as to how many times I actually had to call the RA/LDB rule.

Back to the CCA manual and rule book for me.

[Ahaug22]

In NCAA Women the Trail would have the best look at this play and should be concentrating in the post since the Lead as assumed primary responsibility for the action outside the three point line. When the Lead position adjusts to take the play he turns his back to the lane and cannot see anything but those players in the corner. If you watch his head it is following the ball in to the post play and has to physically turn his body just to see the play. I would argue that the Trail's new primary is in the post on the strong side of the floor and the Lead should allow Trail first crack. CCA Manual for the Women's side actually gives this responsibility to the Trail when the Lead has a competitive matchup near the three point line.

Oh and this is a close play, but I'd have gone with offensive foul on this one.

[Raymond]

That's why I asked about the coverage. Seems like the Lead has all the work, and the Trail is just a bystander.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's why I asked about the coverage. Seems like the Lead has all the work, and the Trail is just a bystander.

Not so much the T just being a bystander as it is that the L is trying to do it all... as others have said, once he picked up the ball out in the corner, he should be letting the T have the post action.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

1. The L is at close down as the play comes into frontcourt on his side. Also, his shoulders are parallel to the end line. I heard more than a few times: If the ball is coming down the L's "lane" - between the sideline and FTLE on their side - go to a point between wide angle and close down to work outside in. Also, keep your shoulders at a 45-degree angle to the end line.

2. The L's body is facing the wrong way, meaning he won't be able to see into the lane (which is where the BH/dribbler is going) without turning his head and body all the way around. This leads to...

3. I froze the video at the point where it appears the defender had both feet on the floor with her torso facing the new BH/dribbler. I'm not sure whether the call was correct because I can't see the defender's heels but in relation to the RA but I feel it should have been a PC. Regardless, I think the L was guessing on whether the defender obtained LGP...and it all goes back to point #1.

Yes, I now realize/remember it wouldn't be an RA play due to the offensive player beginning her move in the LDB...my mistake. See below.

D. Williamson spoke to us in DC about not being "sucked into the paint" as the L. She joked that she's going to call every school and ask them to check for a black hole next to the lane that draws in all of us. I know I'm going to try to be more conscious in 3-person games but also in my HS/2-person games.

I will tell you that I've learned from my assignor (and at camps this summer) that we need to start at wide angle position and work our way in when the ball is strong side coming up the floor. The only time we should set up at close down is when the ball is coming up the floor on the weak side.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

During the entire sequence of the ball going down into the corner followed by a drive along the end line to the RA, what are primary coverage responsibilities of the Lead and Trail for this play on the Women's side?

This is clearly in the L's primary. Below the FTLE is all lead. I agree with JetMet in that the L on this play did not position themselves correctly in order to properly officiate their entire primary area.

Originally Posted by Ahaug22

In NCAA Women the Trail would have the best look at this play and should be concentrating in the post since the Lead as assumed primary responsibility for the action outside the three point line. When the Lead position adjusts to take the play he turns his back to the lane and cannot see anything but those players in the corner. If you watch his head it is following the ball in to the post play and has to physically turn his body just to see the play. I would argue that the Trail's new primary is in the post on the strong side of the floor and the Lead should allow Trail first crack. CCA Manual for the Women's side actually gives this responsibility to the Trail when the Lead has a competitive matchup near the three point line.

Oh and this is a close play, but I'd have gone with offensive foul on this one.

Trail may have a good look at this play, but if they're going to have a whistle it should only be if the L doesn't have a whistle on the play. We're trying to get away from double whistles when the play is CLEARLY in someone else's primary area of coverage. In this play the illegal contact is clearly in the L's primary. Therefore, he should have first crack at the play, and only if the L passes on this play the T should be able to come in and have a whistle if they deem there to be illegal contact.

Page 61 in the CCA Manual!

Oh, and I have a charge on this play.

I have been told before that under NCAA-W, when the Lead looks outside to address a play around the 3-point line that the Trail looks inside for post play and rebounding coverage. Is this true?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Ahaug22

In NCAA Women the Trail would have the best look at this play and should be concentrating in the post since the Lead as assumed primary responsibility for the action outside the three point line. When the Lead position adjusts to take the play he turns his back to the lane and cannot see anything but those players in the corner. If you watch his head it is following the ball in to the post play and has to physically turn his body just to see the play. I would argue that the Trail's new primary is in the post on the strong side of the floor and the Lead should allow Trail first crack. CCA Manual for the Women's side actually gives this responsibility to the Trail when the Lead has a competitive matchup near the three point line.

Oh and this is a close play, but I'd have gone with offensive foul on this one.

Given the way the play - and positioning - unfolded, I'd agree. Once the ball went into the corner and it was obvious the L was looking at that matchup the T could have moved his eyes to the paint. It's still T's secondary but there wasn't much going on his primary so we're told to anticipate the next action area, which would have been the lane. My guess is L blew because there was contact in his primary and there obviously had to be some kind of call even if he wasn't sure. I'm thinking if he waits a beat the T grabs that one. The C would be the emergency whistle.