Double Whistle

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Summer time experience...

1) With new rule on the release on FT..seeing many more lane violations.

2) Increase in double whistles..not sure why...people calling out of Primary?

3) Coaches complaining about Double Whistles...example: one ref has a hold other has a held ball.

Comments and summer observations that you have seen??

Not currently working but...

1) Seems odd. I would expect to see less on the release.
2) Ball watching.
3) Expected if you have double whistles with different calls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I would expect to see less on the release.

So you believe that it's easier for a player on a marked lane space to "time" a shooter's release (with all different types of shooting styles) then it is to "time" when a released ball will hit the rim, or the backboard?

I disagree with you. I like the rule change, but I think that we will have more, maybe not a lot more, but more players entering early with the change. We really need to be on our toes with the rule change.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So you believe that it's easier for a player on a marked lane space to "time" a shooter's release (with all different types of shooting styles) then it is to "time" when a released ball will hit the rim, or the backboard?

I disagree with you. I like the rule change, but I think that we will have more, maybe not a lot more, but more players entering early with the change. We really need to be on our toes with the rule change.

I think it's less about them timing the release as it is they have more time to get in position when they start on the release as opposed to the hit - the ball still has to make it's way to the basket before they can try and get it. So they don't have as much of a (maybe false) sense of urgency that they need to start moving, before they are allowed to, to get into position.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

... sense of urgency that they need to start moving, before they are allowed to, to get into position.

Timing to legally enter versus a sense of urgency to get into position to rebound? Hopefully they'll cancel each other out and we will have the same frequency of violations?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Timing to legally enter versus a sense of urgency to get into position to rebound? Hopefully they'll cancel each other out and we will have the same frequency of violations?

That's not what I was saying. I'm thinking there will be fewer violations. I'm not too worried about it either way.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's not what I was saying. I'm thinking there will be fewer violations. I'm not too worried about it either way.

I'm still just a little worried about those free throw shooters with a little "hitch" in their shot. If opponents are going to violate, it will be in the first period, until they all get used to his shooting routine. We, as officials, will have to really be on our toes in the early part of the game.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...really be on our toes in the early part of the game.

Get 'em early and put 'em on notice, "We're watching." But of course we all subscribe to that.
Those indifferent to calling it under the old rule will be likewise indifferent calling it under the new rule, sad to say.
Six camps this summer and I didn't note any more or fewer lane violations called. Was a "break-in period" for those beyond the arc who immediately learned the new rule applies only to lane-space players. Takes a trail who, after reporting, isn't schmoozing with a coach or taking a break out by the division line, as sometimes is observed.
Did detect increased frequency of second space player cutting behind lower block player. Sometimes legally, sometimes illegally. When called we curbed it.
Clinicians, all of whom brought seasoned NCAA experience to the court, are having us closer to the FT'er as C. Not a bad thing. Much better look at that which C needs to surveil from halfway between the sideline and the nearer freethrow lane line or so than out on the sideline, which is where the indifferent reside during a freethrow, it seems.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm still just a little worried about those free throw shooters with a little "hitch" in their shot. If opponents are going to violate, it will be in the first period, until they all get used to his shooting routine. We, as officials, will have to really be on our toes in the early part of the game.

You'd have to consider the shooter and whether the motion is designed to draw the defense into a violation.