High School Fight (Video)

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by bainsey

As for the C, I wonder why he hung back well after the whistle was blown. I've certainly had my "I can't believe I'm seeing that" pauses, but the new T isn't the only one that should be stepping in, especially with the C so much closer.

I think he was attempting to get the number for B1. He went up with a closed fist like he has a common foul, and maybe had a block on B1....

Who goes up with a closed fist after seeing this happen right in front on you?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Who goes up with a closed fist after seeing this happen right in front on you?

It's a foul, isn't it?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am wondering if the T (out of the picture) is not helping keep the bench players on the left on the bench?

That's cool, Jeff, but I'm thinking he can get to the division line a little faster and monitor both. Once he sees those players come off the bench, IMO, that becomes a priority. I count 11 seconds from the time the whistle is blown until the new L comes back into frame. That's a decent amount of time to be at one end of the court when five players have come off the bench at the other end.

Originally Posted by johnny d

I disagree with this part of your statement. If I am the C, I am not waiting for the T to get into the frontcourt. The action is near the division line, on my side of the court. I am moving up to officiate that action. If that doesn't force the L to rotate, I will move back to normal C position after I have officiated the action at the division line. Also, at the NCAA-M level, many camps are teaching the L to rotate before the T has made it to the frontcourt, if and when the action of the players dictates such a move. The idea of waiting for the T to make it into the frontcourt before a rotation can occur is going by the wayside.

I'm cool with this and I've heard the same at NCAAW meetings as well. I'm just saying what's in the manual(s). Regardless, for whatever reason it didn't seem as though the C had much inclination to move closer to the play. That's also a matter of knowing the situation, i.e. the time/foul count info I brought up. There had been 14 fouls in 10½ minutes up to that point. Getting closer to the play - on anyone's part - would have been a good thing.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It's a foul, isn't it?

So at the point when C has a whistle, you would have a common foul as well?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

So at the point when C has a whistle, you would have a common foul as well?

No but going up with a fist means you're stopping the clock for a foul. According to p. 53 of the IAABO manual "(t)he official shall use the stop the clock/foul signal on all fouls prior to indicating the specific kind of foul." That would include technical fouls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That's cool, Jeff, but I'm thinking he can get to the division line a little faster and monitor both. Once he sees those players come off the bench, IMO, that becomes a priority. I count 11 seconds from the time the whistle is blown until the new L comes back into frame. That's a decent amount of time to be at one end of the court when five players have come off the bench at the other end.

Maybe that is the case, but either way just my take on what was the case. He probably did not even realize that there was a fight. And it is also possible he was talking with other players and preventing them from getting involved. So much we do not know without talking to the officials or seeing a differnet angle. And with two officials on the end of the court, he does not need to be anywhere close to the situation. He needs to keep everything in his view and take numbers. For all we know, he might know who came off the bench on the right in this video and helped apply the penalties appropriate as the other two officials probably were not aware of who came off the bench. We are not Gods, we do not stop everything because we are standing in a partcular place.

Peace