Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video)

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm waiting for the video, b/c I immediately thought it was a foul from the first replay on TNT.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Hmmm...just looked to me like Jackson (I think) reached in and poked the ball away. Video will tell...

[OKREF]

On this last play, it doesn't look like either official, the C or the L gets a good look at this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

On this last play, it doesn't look like either official, the C or the L gets a good look at this.

In fact, they both had horrible angles to see it. I'm not saying they were in the wrong spots, necessarily, just that the play developed to block the view from both positions at just the wrong time.

As for the play, Jackson wasn't anywhere near the ball. Looks like he did probably slap Paul's elbow. That said, I think Paul was losing the ball already and any contact there may have been didn't change that. The end result was the correct result.

[Nevadaref]

Rivers got one thing right in his comments--get rid of video review. It's confusing, slows down the action, and makes the on court officials pointless.


Btw the League says the video was inconclusive and the call on the court stands.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...oc-rivers-fine

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In fact, they both had horrible angles to see it. I'm not saying they were in the wrong spots, necessarily, just that the play developed to block the view from both positions at just the wrong time.

As for the play, Jackson wasn't anywhere near the ball. Looks like he did probably slap Paul's elbow. That said, I think Paul was losing the ball already and any contact there may have been didn't change that. The end result was the correct result.

I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by MathReferee

I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.

Well now...it sure does look like Paul got hit on the arm. Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like it.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by APG

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big.

Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

Yep, we all have to do that. Some of us have to do it with two officials. I'm remarking on picking up two defenders on a drive. That's the tough part. And clearly it's difficult because a foul got missed. There is no way the C could tell if W15 makes contact. At least he didn’t guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

I do not see why the Lead cannot make this call, he has the best angle. The Trail would be guessing looking through people and the Lead has an open look. The contact took place in the lane, not across the lane. You officiate where you can to help the crew. I saw no competitive match-ups that the Lead could not leave with a driving player to the lane. It is also possible he did not see it or got stacked up on the play, but he had a much better angle IMO than the Center.