Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video)

[MathReferee]

I am a completely biased long-time Clippers fan, so my views are tainted.

1) Ibaka play was a foul. Both C and L have the foul call and agree that it seemed like a difficult angle from the L.

2) Apparently the OOB call is correct based on NBA rules. I am not sure it was the contact with the left hand that made the ball go OOB though as I see Jackson's right hand causing it to go OOB, but I have no clue how that rule is worded/written so that may be irrelevant.

3) The foul on the three is tough to swallow. I see a vertical defensive player and contact only occurs due to the offensive player's motion. I could see a foul if Paul was moving into Westbrook at all, but since I see him as vertical, I do not see a foul.

4) Regardless, Paul was fouled on the last play, but neither C, nor L were in a good position to see it. L was the only one that could see, but Ibaka stepped right in front.

Again, completely biased and they never should have been in that position if they could have held on to the ball, not set an illegal screen, and played better transition defense at the end.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MathReferee

I am a completely biased long-time Clippers fan, so my views are tainted.
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3) The foul on the three is tough to swallow. I see a vertical defensive player and contact only occurs due to the offensive player's motion. I could see a foul if Paul was moving into Westbrook at all, but since I see him as vertical, I do not see a foul.
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#3 is a text book foul on a jump shooter, and the kinda of pickup by an official that will get you positive feedback in camp.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by MathReferee

4) Regardless, Paul was fouled on the last play.

Say what???

Anyone got video of the last play where the OKC defender pokes the ball away from Paul who is trying to go up against Ibaka? I sure don't remember there being any foul on that play.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Say what???

Anyone got video of the last play where the OKC defender pokes the ball away from Paul who is trying to go up against Ibaka? I sure don't remember there being any foul on that play.

Again, Clippers fanboy tainted goggles on, but I am pretty sure that in the one replay shown right after the play that there was contact on the forearm and not any contact on the ball. Seeing that no one else is really talking about that at all, then I could be wrong.

I will give in and agree Paul was not vertical on the Westbrook shot and it was a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Say what???

Anyone got video of the last play where the OKC defender pokes the ball away from Paul who is trying to go up against Ibaka? I sure don't remember there being any foul on that play.

I'm waiting for the video, b/c I immediately thought it was a foul from the first replay on TNT.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

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CP3 was fouled on the last play of the game, need that replay. The outside defender (Jackson??), hit CP3 on the right bicep, causing him to fumble the ball.

[rockyroad]

Hmmm...just looked to me like Jackson (I think) reached in and poked the ball away. Video will tell...

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm waiting for the video, b/c I immediately thought it was a foul from the first replay on TNT.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Hmmm...just looked to me like Jackson (I think) reached in and poked the ball away. Video will tell...

[OKREF]

On this last play, it doesn't look like either official, the C or the L gets a good look at this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

On this last play, it doesn't look like either official, the C or the L gets a good look at this.

In fact, they both had horrible angles to see it. I'm not saying they were in the wrong spots, necessarily, just that the play developed to block the view from both positions at just the wrong time.

As for the play, Jackson wasn't anywhere near the ball. Looks like he did probably slap Paul's elbow. That said, I think Paul was losing the ball already and any contact there may have been didn't change that. The end result was the correct result.

[Nevadaref]

Rivers got one thing right in his comments--get rid of video review. It's confusing, slows down the action, and makes the on court officials pointless.


Btw the League says the video was inconclusive and the call on the court stands.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...oc-rivers-fine

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In fact, they both had horrible angles to see it. I'm not saying they were in the wrong spots, necessarily, just that the play developed to block the view from both positions at just the wrong time.

As for the play, Jackson wasn't anywhere near the ball. Looks like he did probably slap Paul's elbow. That said, I think Paul was losing the ball already and any contact there may have been didn't change that. The end result was the correct result.

I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by APG

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

I do not see why the Lead cannot make this call, he has the best angle. The Trail would be guessing looking through people and the Lead has an open look. The contact took place in the lane, not across the lane. You officiate where you can to help the crew. I saw no competitive match-ups that the Lead could not leave with a driving player to the lane. It is also possible he did not see it or got stacked up on the play, but he had a much better angle IMO than the Center.