Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video)

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by MathReferee

I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.

Well now...it sure does look like Paul got hit on the arm. Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like it.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

I agree.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I agree.

Why do you say he isn't vertical? His arm is the only thing that isn't but it doesn't make contact.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

But the defender was straight up and the shooter created the contact. This is a prime example of the play I was talking about in the other thread.

I don't think this qualifies as "straight up."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"NBA official rule No. 8, Section 11, "If a player has his hand in contact with the ball and an opponent hits the hand causing the ball to go out-of-bounds, the team whose player had his hand on the ball retains possession."

We have no such rule in NFHS? Right? Possession goes to whomever touched it last? Right? How about NCAA?

Right, but we don't have replay that would allow us to see it that closely. I'd be hard pressed to see it THAT closely live.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by APG

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The Ibaka play wasn't a foul. At first viewing I wondered how the L could really see the contact given his position.

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Agree on all three.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1. No foul on Ibaka.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Peace

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

I do not see why the Lead cannot make this call, he has the best angle. The Trail would be guessing looking through people and the Lead has an open look. The contact took place in the lane, not across the lane. You officiate where you can to help the crew. I saw no competitive match-ups that the Lead could not leave with a driving player to the lane. It is also possible he did not see it or got stacked up on the play, but he had a much better angle IMO than the Center.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big.

Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

Ibaka was not vertical when he jumped. Not only did he jump towards the shooter, he also had his arm was not vertical. Not sure how this is hard to understand.

Peace

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

Yep, we all have to do that. Some of us have to do it with two officials. I'm remarking on picking up two defenders on a drive. That's the tough part. And clearly it's difficult because a foul got missed. There is no way the C could tell if W15 makes contact. At least he didn’t guess.