Held ball or foul?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

"Forced out."

[Freddy]

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

Good example.

Now, if black had come from the other side (the "left" in the video), I would be less likely to have a foul even if he ended up on top because he (likely) would have the ball first.

[Pantherdreams]

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps you should read this:

?He or she? versus ?they? - Oxford Dictionaries (US)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Getting the ball first doesn't give a player the right to land on another player. Still a foul.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Getting the ball first doesn't give a player the right to land on another player. Still a foul.

I agree with you yet some will say that if you block the shot first than all other contact after is not a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Yes, then you have a player control foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?

I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

Of course, only an anal grammar nazi would dare suggest that you should have said, "...as I."
But since there is no need for rules or structure or form or orderliness in language anymore -- because, after all, the English were loose with their verbage at some point back in the 16th century -- it really doesn't matter.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

... there is no need for rules or structure or form or orderliness in language anymore ...

The English language hasn't changed since it was invented. Why should we be allowed to change it now?

To telle yow al the condicioun, Of ech of hem, so as it semed me, And whiche they weren, and of what degree, And eek in what array that they were inne, And at a knyght than wol I first bigynne.

http://comicskingdom.com/rhymes-with-orange/2014-05-15

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The English language hasn't changed since it was invented. Why should we be allowed to change it now?

Are you sure about that? The English language is a forever changing thing and always will be. If you know someone that speaks under all the rules and does not use slang, dialect or other social media language it will be a very rare occasion. Oh and the English that spoke the language speak it differently than people in the US. And people in this country never speak it the same way or understand it the same way.

Peace