Held ball or foul?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) No.

2) This has "always" been "closely guarded" and not "held ball"

I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

"Forced out."

[Freddy]

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

Good example.

Now, if black had come from the other side (the "left" in the video), I would be less likely to have a foul even if he ended up on top because he (likely) would have the ball first.

[Pantherdreams]

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?

I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

Of course, only an anal grammar nazi would dare suggest that you should have said, "...as I."
But since there is no need for rules or structure or form or orderliness in language anymore -- because, after all, the English were loose with their verbage at some point back in the 16th century -- it really doesn't matter.