Held ball or foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

No disagreement in principle beyond when we use words phrases like "jumped on" or "runs into" mentally each person can see something very different. If I see player laying on the floor and to get the ball they are holding a player reaches down for the ball and leaves their feet landing on the ball and player. That is very different from someone who dives shoulder first into someone and then reaches for the ball. Both "jumped on a player".

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To be clear if the player is on the floor and some jumps into them violently discplacing them or moving them into a travel or jarring the ball loose then I'm going to have a foul. If a player is standing by or above a player laying on the ground and jumps on the ball another player is holding and lands on the player as a result that's not getting a foul.

Sorry, that too should be a foul. That is exactly the kind of stuff the NFHS is referring to in their POE's on rough play.

The only case the player is not getting a foul is if they both jump towards the same spot from equally advantageous positions.

Jumping on another player who is on the floor is not legal play, even if you get the ball, even if the player gets to the ball before landing on the player. The NFHS made that very clear 2-3 years ago.