No call or foul? (Clips)

[Raymond]

I have fouls in the 3rd (Lebron) and 4th (Paplovic) videos.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have fouls in the 3rd (Lebron) and 4th (Paplovic) videos.

Can you please elaborate as to why?

[rsl]

You guys are smarter than I am, so I tend to listen. But I am confused by this thread.

Why does a defender get a pass on contact that caused displacement just because he gets ball first?

In both videos (3 & 4), the defender clearly displaces the shooter, and would not never have gotten there in time to make the block if they had not overrun the shooter.

What part the rule is not met for a foul? I have contact, displacement, and disadvantage.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can you please elaborate as to why?

Originally Posted by rsl

You guys are smarter than I am, so I tend to listen. But I am confused by this thread.

Why does a defender get a pass on contact that caused displacement just because he gets ball first?

In both videos (3 & 4), the defender clearly displaces the shooter, and would not never have gotten there in time to make the block if they had not overrun the shooter.

What part the rule is not met for a foul? I have contact, displacement, and disadvantage.

In videos 3 & 4 I have B1 going through A1 to make the block, thus IMO, fouls.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In videos 3 & 4 I have B1 going through A1 to make the block, thus IMO, fouls.

Agree.

In #1, the only fouls I see are illegal screens...the second of which (by #22) had a big part to do with the shooter getting open for the pass.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rsl

You guys are smarter than I am, so I tend to listen. But I am confused by this thread.

Why does a defender get a pass on contact that caused displacement just because he gets ball first?

In both videos (3 & 4), the defender clearly displaces the shooter, and would not never have gotten there in time to make the block if they had not overrun the shooter.

What part the rule is not met for a foul? I have contact, displacement, and disadvantage.

First of all I disagree that those are clear displacement. All contact is not a foul and I disagree with BNR that those are fouls. I think those are normal contact plays with a block. And the LeBron play IMO is clearly not a foul. Not only was the shooter not knocked to the floor, but the contact started with the ball. Nothing affected the movement of the player at all. The second play was more a shooter taking a contested shot going out of bounds. He would have feel with or without contact.

And if I were to call thos fouls, in my world of officiating, I would be ripped apart for making those calls, especially the first one by my respected peers. You cannot expect there is not going to be contact on block attempts. It is unrealistic IMO.

Peace

[ballgame99]

1) foul on Bosh, there is more than incidental contact caused by the defender. Dumb foul since there was very little chance that shot would have been successful and he was in good position to contest with no foul (I understand this was no-called). Also agree with the two illegal screens that occur prior.

2) foul on Ibaka, more than incidental contact caused by the defender who did not obtain LGP prior to the shooter leaving the floor.

3) I'm 50/50 on this one, but probably no call it.

4) another 50/50 that I probably no call.

5) foul on Robinson because I dislike kU a great deal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

1) foul on Bosh, there is more than incidental contact caused by the defender. Dumb foul since there was very little chance that shot would have been successful and he was in good position to contest with no foul (I understand this was no-called). Also agree with the two illegal screens that occur prior.
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This was correctly no-called according to the NBA. I was at a camp where the video was broken down by someone from the NBA officiating offices.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

1) foul on Bosh, there is more than incidental contact caused by the defender. Dumb foul since there was very little chance that shot would have been successful and he was in good position to contest with no foul (I understand this was no-called). Also agree with the two illegal screens that occur prior.

Similar to BNR, went to a camp where someone from the league offices said this was a no call correct. Even went so far as to joke that if the official on the play called a foul, it would have been his final game for the series.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by APG

Similar to BNR, went to a camp where someone from the league offices said this was a no call correct. Even went so far as to joke that if the official on the play called a foul, it would have been his final game for the series.

I'm sure you are correct, but that tells me the NBA is less concerned about what is/is not a foul. I'm sure if that official had called one of those two illegal screens he would have been banished as well. It seems being 'big time' requires a good sense of when to swallow your whistle and 'let the players decide the game' instead of just calling what you see. But in my high school game that is a foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

5) foul on Robinson because I dislike kU a great deal.

So if the player was from Arkansas, you still would not call a foul?

Peace

[jeremy341a]

I don't understand why we ignore major contact just because the ball it reached first. If the defender doesn't take the path that leads them into the offensive player then they never can reach the ball in time. Therefore their path which lead them into the offensive player definitely put the offensive at a disadvantage.

For example play 2. If he doesn't take the path that causes the contact he can't get to the ball and/or challenge the shot. If he does that on a 3 pt shooter it is a clear foul. Does not protecting the shooter as well as giving them a place to lane apply to all players or just jump shooters?

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can you please elaborate as to why?

I don't have fouls in the 3rd and 4th plays. I think the block happens first making the contact afterwards incidental.

I'm with Camron on the illegal screen by Splitter in the 1st video....his screen was 9 feet wide!

[just another ref]

1 & 2 are fouls. 3 is a no call. 4 is a travel.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1 & 2 are fouls. 3 is a no call. 4 is a travel.

I can tell you for a fact that play 1 was ruled a no call correct.