Joey Crawford (Video)

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

If it hadn't been Joe Crawford involved, nobody would give a crap.

The guy's worked more seventh games in the NBA finals than any other active official. Willing to bet he was crew chief in 4/5 of them.

He's not above reproach, but I don't get the fascination some people have with bashing him over every little thing.

Maybe if Crawford hadn't been on this game, perhaps this particular scenario never plays out the way it did.

Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the SA/DAL game years ago, Duncan doesn't get T'd while on the bench.

Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the LAC/GS game, Stephen Curry might of had an open look at a 3 from the corner instead of having Crawford run right in front of him during the shot.

Depends on your definition of 'every little thing', but Crawford does a lot of 'attention getting' things that rarely are done by other officials.........

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Maybe if Crawford hadn't been on this game, perhaps this particular scenario never plays out the way it did.

Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the SA/DAL game years ago, Duncan doesn't get T'd while on the bench.

Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the LAC/GS game, Stephen Curry might of had an open look at a 3 from the corner instead of having Crawford run right in front of him during the shot.

Depends on your definition of 'every little thing', but Crawford does a lot of 'attention getting' things that rarely are done by other officials.........

And, still, the NBA *keeps* assigning Crawford. He worked a Game 7 last night, come to think of it. Imagine that...

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Rich

And, still, the NBA *keeps* assigning Crawford. He worked a Game 7 last night, come to think of it. Imagine that...

That's great. I can probably think of at least 10 officials that could have done at just as well, if not better. However, like at all levels, official assignments aren't always based 100% on performance.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

That's great. I can probably think of at least 10 officials that could have done at just as well, if not better. However, like at all levels, official assignments aren't always based 100% on performance.

And they are never based on fans' evaluations of performance.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Adam

And they are never based on fans' evaluations of performance.

Amen, thank goodness for that!

[JRutledge]

If Mark Davis did the exact same thing then maybe we do not even know this happened. Most people even the media has no idea who most officials are in the NBA by name. They mostly know their name if you are a long time official that has been around for years. And there are not many that have been officiating longer than Crawford. I still do not remember the name of the official that tried to block the FT shooter a couple of years ago and I could not tell you if and what games that person has worked. And I would guess that I probably do not know if and when that official has worked since. And that is not because of Crawford's antics, that is because Crawford is on a lot of big games a lot over a season.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

I'm not a Crawford basher... but it definitely does seem that he is involved more frequently than just about anyone else in these sort of oddball one-of-a-kind situations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm not a Crawford basher... but it definitely does seem that he is involved more frequently than just about anyone else in these sort of oddball one-of-a-kind situations.

Maybe that is because people point out things about him they ignore or do not notice with other officials. I have seen other situations where that were unusual take place in the NBA and no one goes around trying to put it on the specific official. I have seen Crawford give a T and people want to make more out of who gave the T, even if the situation was obvious.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If Mark Davis did the exact same thing then maybe we do not even know this happened. Most people even the media has no idea who most officials are in the NBA by name. They mostly know their name if you are a long time official that has been around for years. And there are not many that have been officiating longer than Crawford. I still do not remember the name of the official that tried to block the FT shooter a couple of years ago and I could not tell you if and what games that person has worked. And I would guess that I probably do not know if and when that official has worked since. And that is not because of Crawford's antics, that is because Crawford is on a lot of big games a lot over a season.

Peace

I believe that was Courtney Kirkland.

How often has a corny play been discussed here involving Dick Bavetta? I can't think of any. A lot of it is on-court demeanor. I think Bavetta has him beat......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

I believe that was Courtney Kirkland.

How often has a corny play been discussed here involving Dick Bavetta? I can't think of any. A lot of it is on-court demeanor. I think Bavetta has him beat......

Many times. I remember discussions about his mechanics or situations (and if you look on YouTube you can probably find some videos too). But keep in mind we are in a YouTube, social media era. And Bavetta has not worked as many big games in the past few years. I know I had to look up to see if Bavetta was still working, because I almost never see him anymore and certainly do not see him on the TNT or ESPN broadcasts many times.

For the record, Bavetta has not worked any playoff games for the last couple of years. And he has not worked a NBA Finals since 2008. So we do not talk about him because he is not working when Joey is or when the playoffs are going on. Perspective.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Many times. I remember discussions about his mechanics or situations (and if you look on YouTube you can probably find some videos too). But keep in mind we are in a YouTube, social media era. And Bavetta has not worked as many big games in the past few years. I know I had to look up to see if Bavetta was still working, because I almost never see him anymore and certainly do not see him on the TNT or ESPN broadcasts many times.

For the record, Bavetta has not worked any playoff games for the last couple of years. And he has not worked a NBA Finals since 2008. So we do not talk about him because he is not working when Joey is or when the playoffs are going on. Perspective.

Peace

Eventhough YouTube was rolled out in 2005, it doesn't mean that games from there forward are only on YouTube. There are a ton of game/play clips from games in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. So to be honest, the correlation to YouTube and the timeframe to when Bavetta worked a lot really doesn't exist.

Since there were 'many times' Bavetta has been discussed for corny situations, I wonder if you can point to one or two, or at least describe/reference them? Also, would love for you to 'link in' just one YouTube clip of a corny play involving Bavetta. I searched quite a bit and couldn't find anything. Every search I did though, trying to find something on Bavetta, seemed to bring up Joey Crawford clips, which was odd.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Eventhough YouTube was rolled out in 2005, it doesn't mean that games from there forward are only on YouTube. There are a ton of game/play clips from games in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. So to be honest, the correlation to YouTube and the timeframe to when Bavetta worked a lot really doesn't exist.

I realize this, but my comment was not about just YouTube, it was an example just to highlight the influence of social media and video sites that show things the public finds interesting. Most things are not shown in earlier eras the way they are today.

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Since there were 'many times' Bavetta has been discussed for corny situations, I wonder if you can point to one or two, or at least describe/reference them? Also, would love for you to 'link in' just one YouTube clip of a corny play involving Bavetta. I searched quite a bit and couldn't find anything. Every search I did though, trying to find something on Bavetta, seemed to bring up Joey Crawford clips, which was odd.....

I do not think I have to prove anything about what was said about Bavetta. You referenced Bavetta while not even having the two on the same level for years based on their assignments. And yes Bavetta is often talked about with his age and things he missed. He just has not been in any high profile situations relative to J. Crawford. You would have been better talking about Danny Crawford than Bavetta if you ask me. But that just shows you were searching for a criticism rather than being honest about these situations. I do not disagree that Crawford is in the spotlight a lot, but I contend that is because of social media and those doing the lazy thing and pointing out someone they recognize as much as anything. Heck you should know how lazy the media is about other officiating things and almost never ask expects or review material that would highlight what was done by officials.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

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Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the LAC/GS game, Stephen Curry might of had an open look at a 3 from the corner instead of having Crawford run right in front of him during the shot.
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Is there video from this play, because I have not seen this play? Was Crawford doing it to get attention?

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Is there video from this play, because I have not seen this play? Was Crawford doing it to get attention?

[JRutledge]

And how is that about being on TV? He seemed to get caught in a bad position and tried to not get in the way of the shooter. We have all been there.

Peace