Joey Crawford (Video)

[bballref3966]

VIDEO: Joey Crawford ices Kevin Durant on key free throw

[APG]

He corrected something...okay...and?

[Raymond]

What's this "icing" nonsense? KD goes through the same routine every time he shoots a free throw. He got to start over from scratch.

This is a complete non-story.

At least Joey didn't have to go block Durant while he was shooting as another NBA ref did a few years ago. Imagine the posters...

[zm1283]

But he did jump right in front of Steph Curry the other night on a three point attempt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

At least Joey didn't have to go block Durant while he was shooting as another NBA ref did a few years ago.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What's this "icing" nonsense? KD goes through the same routine every time he shoots a free throw. He got to start over from scratch.

This is a complete non-story.

Then what's the benefit of an opposing coach calling a timeout after the first of two free throws or a football coach calling a timeout before a field goal attempt?

By your theory, there's no point..... But coaches do it on a regular basis, so there must be something to it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Then what's the benefit of an opposing coach calling a timeout after the first of two free throws or a football coach calling a timeout before a field goal attempt?

By your theory, there's no point..... But coaches do it on a regular basis, so there must be something to it.

Yeah, urban myths that it somehow affects the shooter or FG kicker.

A lot of people do stuff that has no intellectual basis.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A lot of people do stuff that has no intellectual basis.

Add me to the list. I have no empirical data, but I have a lifetime of personal anecdotal data. I've shot a lot of free throws over the years. The second is always easier, and more accurate. Miss the first, adjust the second. Make the first, do the same thing for the second. Timing, and routine, are always important in free throw shooting.

[APG]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Then what's the benefit of an opposing coach calling a timeout after the first of two free throws or a football coach calling a timeout before a field goal attempt?

By your theory, there's no point..... But coaches do it on a regular basis, so there must be something to it.

At least in the NFL, kickers actually make it at a higher clip after an opposing head coach tries to "ice" him. Still doesn't stop coaches from the practice. Fans and coaches always remember the one time that it concidently "works."

Icing the kicker remains ineffective practice - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN

However, looking at the effectiveness of such a strategy reveals that coaches are better off pocketing their timeouts.

With 10 seconds or less remaining in the 4th quarter, kickers who are not iced have made 70.2 percent of field goals since 2001. When a timeout is called immediately before the try, they made 83.0 percent of attempts. That increase of 12.8 percentage points means recent attempts to ice a kicker at the end of a game actually increased the kicker’s chances of success by 18.2 percent.

In fact, you don't even see NBA coaches try this silly practice. Timeouts are too valuable, in being able to advance the ball, for them to waste one of their at maximum 3 timeouts at the end of the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

At least in the NFL, kickers actually make it at a higher clip after an opposing head coach tries to "ice" him. Still doesn't stop coaches from the practice. Fans and coaches always remember the one time that it concidently "works."



In fact, you don't even see NBA coaches try this silly practice. Timeouts are too valuable, in being able to advance the ball, for them to waste one of their at maximum 3 timeouts at the end of the game.

I'd guess that coaches do it when time is running out since it is the only hope they thing they have and that there is no use going to the locker room with timeouts remaining. Of course, the stats you show seem to suggest that it is actually counterproductive. I'd be interested to see such stats with respect to basketball where there are two shots and the 2nd one is iced. It may have a different result than the case where there is only one attempt to be taken as in football.

[Mechanicsman]

Originally Posted by APG

He corrected something...okay...and?

What did he correct? Just curious. Also anyone know if the correctable error time frame is the same in the NBA and NFHS?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mechanicsman

What did he correct? Just curious. Also anyone know if the correctable error time frame is the same in the NBA and NFHS?

Seems as though he was correcting a situation with the team fouls on the scoreboard.

And the correctable error timeframe is a lot longer than NFHS/NCAA. Most errors can be corrected if discovered prior to the beginning of the next period. Only a few errors (wrong team starting with possession of the ball to start a quarter or going or both teams going the wrong way for example) have to be corrected prior to 24 seconds going off to begin the quarter.

[Rich]

I'd fix this, too. It's important -- knowing the team fouls could dictate the strategy on a rebound / subsequent possession.

[Pantherdreams]

I'm alright with the correction. More alarmed by the offensive rebounder who ended up with the ball running past durant as he's shooting on the way the to rim and coming up the ball.