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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 01:17pm
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Perhaps if Crawford isn't on the LAC/GS game, Stephen Curry might of had an open look at a 3 from the corner instead of having Crawford run right in front of him during the shot.
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Is there video from this play, because I have not seen this play? Was Crawford doing it to get attention?
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 02:06pm
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Is there video from this play, because I have not seen this play? Was Crawford doing it to get attention?
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 02:09pm
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And how is that about being on TV? He seemed to get caught in a bad position and tried to not get in the way of the shooter. We have all been there.

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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 02:42pm
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And how is that about being on TV? He seemed to get caught in a bad position and tried to not get in the way of the shooter. We have all been there.

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Yes, it happens. But of all of the possible avenues for him to take, going in front of a shooter, especially as he is shooting, shouldn't be one of them.
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 02:59pm
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Yes, it happens. But of all of the possible avenues for him to take, going in front of a shooter, especially as he is shooting, shouldn't be one of them.
I am not saying it is ideal or that he could not have come another route, but we also do not know how much room was on the court. There are not always that much room even in NBA arenas on the sideline and not with people that are standing up too.

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Old Tue May 06, 2014, 09:07am
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I know there have been plenty of times as the new Lead that I've had to decide which way to go because a much faster player is taking a path down the court. Fortunately, none of my games have millionaires sitting directly on top of the court, so I have options outside the boundary line.

If this play is being used as some sort of indictment against Crawford, then it must be a really weak case.
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Old Tue May 06, 2014, 09:26am
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I know there have been plenty of times as the new Lead that I've had to decide which way to go because a much faster player is taking a path down the court. Fortunately, none of my games have millionaires sitting directly on top of the court, so I have options outside the boundary line.

If this play is being used as some sort of indictment against Crawford, then it must be a really weak case.
I don't think anyone is indicting anyone, rather just pointing out yet another corny situation that Crawford found himself in.

To me, running in front of a shooter isn't even an option. Either hold up short and mark the 3 or find room behind, along the sideline. I'm not sure if Joe even realized where he was at on the court! The angle given doesn't show the amount of room available on the sideline, and I'm not assuming that there wasn't room. It appears though, that some have seen a different angle that shows otherwise....
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Old Tue May 06, 2014, 10:01am
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I don't think anyone is indicting anyone, rather just pointing out yet another corny situation that Crawford found himself in.

To me, running in front of a shooter isn't even an option. Either hold up short and mark the 3 or find room behind, along the sideline. I'm not sure if Joe even realized where he was at on the court! The angle given doesn't show the amount of room available on the sideline, and I'm not assuming that there wasn't room. It appears though, that some have seen a different angle that shows otherwise....
Well good for you. And I doubt you have worked in many situations (I know I haven't) where there are that many people in an arena or near the sideline. So I guess you might have different options with that alone, like the rest of us do. As BNR has stated, if this is the best you can do you really lose credibility with your position. You have a better position with other situations.

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Well good for you. And I doubt you have worked in many situations (I know I haven't) where there are that many people in an arena or near the sideline. So I guess you might have different options with that alone, like the rest of us do. As BNR has stated, if this is the best you can do you really lose credibility with your position. You have a better position with other situations.

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I've worked a handful of games requiring recognition of a TV camera cord when transitioning on the endline as L. I've had a handful of games that had tight sidelines due to team benches, fan bleachers, cheerleaders, etc. Each game you make mental notes of your court surroundings and adjust. I don't think that's anything out of the norm???

Crawford probably deals with these court scenarios night in and night out, year in and year out, which would suggest that this goof up is even more of a head-scratcher, than say if it happened to you or I, since we seldom have to deal with this, JMO.
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I've worked a handful of games requiring recognition of a TV camera cord when transitioning on the endline as L. I've had a handful of games that had tight sidelines due to team benches, fan bleachers, cheerleaders, etc. Each game you make mental notes of your court surroundings and adjust. I don't think that's anything out of the norm???

Crawford probably deals with these court scenarios night in and night out, year in and year out, which would suggest that this goof up is even more of a head-scratcher, than say if it happened to you or I, since we seldom have to deal with this, JMO.
I had a player run into me one time when he took an unusual angle I was not expecting a few years ago. I have on video of a play where I came out onto the floor as the Trail and the ball was stolen and I was on the inside part of the court and let players pass me. These things happen and it is not a felony or major professional faux pas. Heck there was an official that got involved in the play and got knocked out of bounds in the NBA this season. I bet you were not going around telling everyone here how this was unacceptable or why this official was involved in that situation.

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I don't think anyone is indicting anyone, rather just pointing out yet another corny situation that Crawford found himself in.

To me, running in front of a shooter isn't even an option. Either hold up short and mark the 3 or find room behind, along the sideline. I'm not sure if Joe even realized where he was at on the court! The angle given doesn't show the amount of room available on the sideline, and I'm not assuming that there wasn't room. It appears though, that some have seen a different angle that shows otherwise....
His momentum wasn't going to allow for him to stop, only to change directions. If he had tried to stop, he would have run into Curry.

And I can say this from my limited exposure to NBA officials, Dick Bavetta is not seen as close to the level of a Joey Crawford or Scott Foster or Tony Brothers.
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His momentum wasn't going to allow for him to stop, only to change directions. If he had tried to stop, he would have run into Curry.

And I can say this from my limited exposure to NBA officials, Dick Bavetta is not seen as close to the level of a Joey Crawford or Scott Foster or Tony Brothers.
I don't think I've tried to compare Dick Bavetta (2014) to Joey Crawford (2014). Some would say Crawford is at his peak now, or has been the past 3-5 years?? Bavetta's career peak was what, in the mid-90's??
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Old Tue May 06, 2014, 02:23pm
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I don't think I've tried to compare Dick Bavetta (2014) to Joey Crawford (2014). Some would say Crawford is at his peak now, or has been the past 3-5 years?? Bavetta's career peak was what, in the mid-90's??
Joey Crawford has been in the NBA 37 season now, Bavetta 39. I don't think there has ever been a time Bavetta was rated ahead of Crawford.

And Bavetta was on Earl Strom's enemies list, which I'm sure wasn't the best thing for his career.
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I don't think I've tried to compare Dick Bavetta (2014) to Joey Crawford (2014). Some would say Crawford is at his peak now, or has been the past 3-5 years?? Bavetta's career peak was what, in the mid-90's??
For information purposes, Joe Crawford has worked at least one NBA Finals game, except for the 2007 NBA Finals, since 1986.
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His momentum wasn't going to allow for him to stop, only to change directions. If he had tried to stop, he would have run into Curry.

And I can say this from my limited exposure to NBA officials, Dick Bavetta is not seen as close to the level of a Joey Crawford or Scott Foster or Tony Brothers.
How dare you mention Crawdord before the annointed one !!!! Don't roll up into DC without giving #48, (that's Mr. Foster to you ), his proper due !!!!!

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