Foul by the Thrower (Video)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It depends. In this case, had the foul not happened, it would have started when W23 stepped out of bounds with the ball. Sometimes, the ball is available, but the offense deliberately is slow to pick it up while their press break set up or whatever. In this case the count may start with the ball on the floor.

Unless there's a delay, I don't think you can consider this a live ball until the thrower is out of bounds.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Unless there's a delay, I don't think you can consider this a live ball until the thrower is out of bounds.

I'm with you here. I think this foul happened a split second before the count should have started. Never had reason to separate it like this before.