Arbiter Mandate

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, you're advocating that tax evasion is OK? What does that say about the honesty/integrity of the official?

I am not advocating anything but following the law. And the law helps people that are self-employed out to benefit from their income stream. If you were paying attention or talk to a tax attorney or tax professional, you might realize this on your own. And that is why other tax provisions in this country are seen as unfair when big business for example get all kinds of tax breaks to avoid paying money out of their pocket anymore than they already do than the average working person.

But as usual Camron, you sound like a woman I once dated, that takes the worst part of what someone says instead of actually understanding what I tried to say here. Schools in my area appear to already report what they pay to officials as independent contractors (and all states do not have the same laws or expectations as well). So maybe in your state you do not get the kind of consideration that I might or have to file the same paperwork for all kinds of reasons. And what people claim is not about overall integrity. I know a lot of other things officials do in their lives I would question more than how they file taxes. But that is me.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not advocating anything but following the law. And the law helps people that are self-employed out to benefit from their income stream.

Agreed, which is why I advocate claiming all of the deductions you can legally in addition to reporting your income. In most cases for amateur officials, the actual amount of income from officiating to be taxed is fairly minimal.

I also don't think anybody is disputing that.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what people claim is not about overall integrity.

It is a component and not necessarily a large one but it is.

And I figured we're all talking about what is done at the Federal level so yes it would be the same. I don't know or care about what's done at the state level that has no impact me at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It is a component and not necessarily a large one but it is.

And I figured we're all talking about what is done at the Federal level so yes it would be the same. I don't know or care about what's done at the state level that has no impact me at all.

Well I do not recall that we only mentioned Federal or State Taxes and it does affect everyone in a similar way. Some might not have to file State income taxes at all and that is not a bad thing, but if I file my income, I have to consider both. Both have different penalties and benefits. And if I am accepting state funded money and they file paperwork to show what they have paid out, I might have to answer to them at some point.

Peace

[johnnyg08]

Guys, I think the discussion is a good discussion...we will keep the thread open as long as it remains a non-personal discussion.

At this point, it's one poorly worded post away from being locked.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Guys, I think the discussion is a good discussion...we will keep the thread open as long as it remains a non-personal discussion.

At this point, it's one poorly worded post away from being locked.

We tried.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not advocating anything but following the law. And the law helps people that are self-employed out to benefit from their income stream. If you were paying attention or talk to a tax attorney or tax professional, you might realize this on your own. And that is why other tax provisions in this country are seen as unfair when big business for example get all kinds of tax breaks to avoid paying money out of their pocket anymore than they already do than the average working person.

But as usual Camron, you sound like a woman I once dated, that takes the worst part of what someone says instead of actually understanding what I tried to say here. Schools in my area appear to already report what they pay to officials as independent contractors (and all states do not have the same laws or expectations as well). So maybe in your state you do not get the kind of consideration that I might or have to file the same paperwork for all kinds of reasons. And what people claim is not about overall integrity. I know a lot of other things officials do in their lives I would question more than how they file taxes. But that is me.

Peace

If you had even half way comprehended what I was saying, you wouldn't have even gone there. But, lacking that, you make an issue where there is none, again.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not advocating anything but following the law. And the law helps people that are self-employed out to benefit from their income stream. If you were paying attention or talk to a tax attorney or tax professional, you might realize this on your own. And that is why other tax provisions in this country are seen as unfair when big business for example get all kinds of tax breaks to avoid paying money out of their pocket anymore than they already do than the average working person.

But as usual Camron, you sound like a woman I once dated, that takes the worst part of what someone says instead of actually understanding what I tried to say here. Schools in my area appear to already report what they pay to officials as independent contractors (and all states do not have the same laws or expectations as well). So maybe in your state you do not get the kind of consideration that I might or have to file the same paperwork for all kinds of reasons. And what people claim is not about overall integrity. I know a lot of other things officials do in their lives I would question more than how they file taxes. But that is me.

Peace

I think we can make our point w/o name calling or obnoxious simile.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I think we can make our point w/o name calling or obnoxious simile.

I feel my comments are appropriate to the person and the accusation being made. If you want to take the moral high ground about this or other issues, you have to be willing to discuss the person personally. Sorry, he sounded like someone I knew with his comment.

Peace

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I feel my comments are appropriate to the person and the accusation being made. If you want to take the moral high ground about this or other issues, you have to be willing to discuss the person personally. Sorry, he sounded like someone I knew with his comment.

Peace

You're entitled to your opinion. Keep having the discussion just don't make it personal.

I think all mods are on board with my take on things. So do as you wish, but the leash is short.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

You're entitled to your opinion. Keep having the discussion just don't make it personal.

I think all mods are on board with my take on things. So do as you wish, but the leash is short.

If that is personal, then you have not been doing a great job reading this board on a regular basis(and I rarely see you comment on this site). That was very mild compared to other things stated. Just sayin.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I feel my comments are appropriate to the person and the accusation being made. If you want to take the moral high ground about this or other issues, you have to be willing to discuss the person personally. Sorry, he sounded like someone I knew with his comment.

Peace

Everything I said was 100% factual...accusing no one specifically. The only ones who would feel accused would be those who actually are cheating on their taxes. I don't like taxes any more than you, but not liking taxes is not the same as cheating on them. And, for those, the accusation would be valid. If you feel accused perhaps you should amend your tax forms to fix that rather than attacking others who merely point out the facts of the situation.

You replied with a bunch of noise about state tax requirement, how hard it would be to get to $600, or what info schools collect, and people having the right to try to save money legally. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with the actual point of people deliberately and illegally under-reporting income and hoping to get away with it either because they got paid in cash or they were under the 1099 limits that would force the paying party to report the income to the IRS and how going to electronic payment systems makes it harder or impossible for people to cheat.

Someone would say the sky is blue and you'd go off on why they might not be right because the rivers and lakes in your area are brown or green.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, you're advocating that tax evasion is OK? What does that say about the honesty/integrity of the official?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Everything I said was 100% factual...accusing no one specifically. The only ones who would feel accused would be those who actually are cheating on their taxes. I don't like taxes any more than you, but not liking taxes is not the same as cheating on them. And, for those, the accusation would be valid. If you feel accused perhaps you should amend your tax forms to fix that rather than attacking others who merely point out the facts of the situation.

You replied with a bunch of noise about state tax requirement, how hard it would be to get to $600, or what info schools collect, and people having the right to try to save money legally. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with the actual point of people deliberately and illegally under-reporting income and hoping to get away with it either because they got paid in cash or they were under the 1099 limits that would force the paying party to report the income to the IRS and how going to electronic payment systems makes it harder or impossible for people to cheat.

Call it dishonest, cheating or whatever else you like. I am not worried about an accusation, nor am I offended. Point out the facts as you see them and make your case, using whatever language you want. I am a constant advocate for the elimination of the pervasive political correctness that is forced upon us both here and in real life. I have my reasons for doing what I do and I am comfortable with them. Nothing you or anyone else here says is going to change my stance in this matter. However, before you start questioning other peoples integrity, you should make sure you are one of the select few people who follows all rules and laws all the time. Anything less, just makes you a hypocrite.