Timing question

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree, and what I was trying to say, was that I try harder to not call ticky-tack fouls at the expiration of time. Without replay ability there are times when whistle and horn are so close it's hard to discern. Heck even with replay its hard as there is no sound with slo mo.

I try hard not to call those fouls all the time, but I'm sure you're not saying otherwise.

Guessing on what to put on the clock is a dangerous game. With replay I'm happy to do it and I'll go by the time of the foul absent other instructions.

We had a state quarterfinal game (called a sectional final here) on Saturday and I called a foul on a made basket and the clock ran out at the end of the third quarter. It was so loud, I never heard a horn. I needed to ask my partners if a horn sounded. Once I did, then the next question was did either of them have definite knowledge of the time on the clock when the whistle blew.

We ended up shooting the throws with the lane cleared.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'll go by the time of the foul ... definite knowledge of the time on the clock when the whistle blew.

Time of the foul, or time of the whistle for said foul, because they probably aren't the same time.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Time of the foul, or time of the whistle for said foul, because they probably aren't the same time.

Depends if I have a monitor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Depends if I have a monitor.

So even though the clock is supposed to stop with the whistle (signals a foul), if you have a monitor, your can back up time and reset the clock to the time of the actual foul?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So even though the clock is supposed to stop with the whistle (signals a foul), if you have a monitor, your can back up time and reset the clock to the time of the actual foul?

Yes, Billy, that is exactly what the text of the NCAA rule says to do. The rule is posted earlier in this thread. Scroll back and read it again. I also summarized that point in one of my previous posts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Yes, Billy, that is exactly what the text of the NCAA rule says to do. The rule is posted earlier in this thread. Scroll back and read it again. I also summarized that point in one of my previous posts.

I'm strictly a NFHS guy. In my high school game, if I get a good look at the clock during a last second foul called by me, and if the clock mistakenly runs down to the horn, I could only reset the clock back to my whistle (signal), not back to the actual time of the foul. Am I correct in that high school assumption?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm strictly a NFHS guy. If I get a good look at the clock during a last second foul called by me, and if the clock mistakenly runs down to the horn, I could only reset the clock back to my whistle (signal), not back to the actual time of the foul. Am I correct in that high school assumption?

I get it now. You are asking what to do in an NFHS game which allows the use of a courtside monitor for review of a last second try.
Barring specific instruction from your state, the monitor is only used to determine the release of the try vs the expiration of time, not the timing of any foul. At the NFHS level, the referee can only reset the clock to what was seen following the sounding of a whistle. The NCAA rule is certainly different.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So even though the clock is supposed to stop with the whistle (signals a foul), if you have a monitor, your can back up time and reset the clock to the time of the actual foul?

Why are you confused... that's EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Why are you confused... that's EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

It appears that I am confusing NCAA, and NFHS rules. I know more about rocket surgery, and brain science, than I know about NCAA rules.