SWAC Men's Championship Game--Video Request

[BryanV21]

I think I have an offensive foul.

The defender has LGP, and then looks like he slides sideways and to the side... not towards the dribbler. And the kicker to me is seeing the dribbler extend an elbow.

[just another ref]

Pc

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

...he slides sideways ... not toward the dribbler ... the dribbler extend an elbow.

Agree. It's not needed, but the elbow is the icing on the cake.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I think I have an offensive foul.

The defender has LGP, and then looks like he slides sideways and to the side... not towards the dribbler. And the kicker to me is seeing the dribbler extend an elbow.

What he said. PC.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I had a PC too.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Initial contact should have been a foul per the emphasis on rule 10-1-4, but at the point the whistle was blown, that should have been a PC.

[JugglingReferee]

I think the NCAA has officials steering away from calling PCs. This is textbook PC.

[Camron Rust]

Pc

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I think the NCAA has officials steering away from calling PCs. This is textbook PC.

Totally agree with this. It seems that they are always defaulting to a blocking foul for every block/charge play when they really should be doing it on shooting block charges(upward motion) and not on drive plays such as this. These non shooting non upward plays should be called the same before. That is great defense being penalized.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Initial contact should have been a foul per the emphasis on rule 10-1-4, but at the point the whistle was blown, that should have been a PC.

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

And even if they were, it wouldn't be a block as was signaled.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

I disagree. The contact beforehand by the defender was an arm bar, not a touching with the hands. This action, even when brief has been called much more consistently as a foul than the brief touching with hands has been. The arm bar call does not require a judgment as to whether or not the defender gained an advantage, it falls under one of Adam's automatics. Also, touching with a hand is legal. It does not become illegal until it is done repeatedly, continuously, or with both hands.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

Without regard to the play at hand, 10-1-4 is written and enforced in a manner such that you don't judge advantage gained or not. It is a foul simply because.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Initial contact should have been a foul per the emphasis on rule 10-1-4, but at the point the whistle was blown, that should have been a PC.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

I don't either. As someone on the Women's side who's had it beaten into his head to blow a whistle on these the only call under 10-1-4 would be the arm bar. For an "automatic" foul due to an arm bar it has to be extended away from the defender's body. B1 doesn't get much of a chance to do that before he's hit by A1's arm (then shoulder, etc.).

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I don't either. As someone on the Women's side who's had it beaten into his head to blow a whistle on these the only call under 10-1-4 would be the arm bar. For an "automatic" foul due to an arm bar it has to be extended away from the defender's body. B1 doesn't get much of a chance to do that before he's hit by A1's arm (then shoulder, etc.).

In every video bulletin sent out by Adam's this year, there are plays where he either congratulates the officials for calling the arm bar without extension away from the defenders body, or admonishes the officials that don't make that call when it occurs. Yet another difference in how things are expected to be handled on the NCAA-M vs. NCAA-W side.