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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Mar 15, 2014 05:40pm

SWAC Men's Championship Game--Video Request
 
Texas Southern had the ball and there was a blocking foul called against Prairie View A&M with 3:25 left in the Second Half. I would appreciate someone posting the video. I would have called it a charge. Thank you in advance.

MTD, Sr.

JetMetFan Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:29pm

video added
 
Here's the play...


<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/A-BIDWfdbB8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BillyMac Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:37pm

Confused In Connecticut ...
 
Since one official signaled block, and the other signaled charge, then I'm going with a double foul. Wait? I'm being told ... What? Another thread? Discussion? Never mind.

BryanV21 Sun Mar 16, 2014 01:14pm

I think I have an offensive foul.

The defender has LGP, and then looks like he slides sideways and to the side... not towards the dribbler. And the kicker to me is seeing the dribbler extend an elbow.

just another ref Sun Mar 16, 2014 01:21pm

Pc

BillyMac Sun Mar 16, 2014 01:40pm

Player Control Foul ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 927249)
...he slides sideways ... not toward the dribbler ... the dribbler extend an elbow.

Agree. It's not needed, but the elbow is the icing on the cake.

Lcubed48 Sun Mar 16, 2014 02:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 927249)
I think I have an offensive foul.

The defender has LGP, and then looks like he slides sideways and to the side... not towards the dribbler. And the kicker to me is seeing the dribbler extend an elbow.

What he said. PC.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 16, 2014 03:32pm

I had a PC too.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Sun Mar 16, 2014 04:08pm

Initial contact should have been a foul per the emphasis on rule 10-1-4, but at the point the whistle was blown, that should have been a PC.

JugglingReferee Sun Mar 16, 2014 06:20pm

I think the NCAA has officials steering away from calling PCs. This is textbook PC.

Camron Rust Sun Mar 16, 2014 06:48pm

Pc

Sharpshooternes Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 927301)
I think the NCAA has officials steering away from calling PCs. This is textbook PC.

Totally agree with this. It seems that they are always defaulting to a blocking foul for every block/charge play when they really should be doing it on shooting block charges(upward motion) and not on drive plays such as this. These non shooting non upward plays should be called the same before. That is great defense being penalized.

AremRed Mon Mar 17, 2014 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 927279)
Initial contact should have been a foul per the emphasis on rule 10-1-4, but at the point the whistle was blown, that should have been a PC.

Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 17, 2014 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 927407)
Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

And even if they were, it wouldn't be a block as was signaled.

johnny d Mon Mar 17, 2014 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 927407)
Really? I don't see the defender gaining any advantage from that momentary touching with the hands. In fact I see the contact uncalled in every D1 game I watch. I know it's a POE, but something that brief? Not a foul. Ant versus elephant.

I disagree. The contact beforehand by the defender was an arm bar, not a touching with the hands. This action, even when brief has been called much more consistently as a foul than the brief touching with hands has been. The arm bar call does not require a judgment as to whether or not the defender gained an advantage, it falls under one of Adam's automatics. Also, touching with a hand is legal. It does not become illegal until it is done repeatedly, continuously, or with both hands.


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