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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Apparently you are.

Nope, I only started officiating in 2001 and coaches already had that expectation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nope, I only started officiating in 2001 and coaches already had that expectation.

First, I don't think either of us will let the expectations of a coach be the deciding factor in anything. Second, I don't think of this as something that happens often enough to create an expectation. How many have you personally been involved in?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

First, I don't think either of us will let the expectations of a coach be the deciding factor in anything. Second, I don't think of this as something that happens often enough to create an expectation. How many have you personally been involved in?

Twice, only once in a real game. It was my first year as a college official. Other official involved now refs mostly in the D-League.

The other time was in my 2nd or 3rd year as an official, in a local HS camp. It was just discussed in our morning meeting with the camp director (NCAA D1 official who started his career in my local association). It was clearly stated when to report a blarge.

But I have seen instances, mostly in camps or AAU ball, where conflicting signals were given and the coaches expected both fouls to be reported.

I didn't say coaches were the deciding factor, I asked where they learned this expectation. Because one thing is for sure, it is not officials who write the rules.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How many have you personally been involved in?

I've been involved in two in the same season about 5 years ago. First one, we (opposing coaches) were told that since they both signaled (one a charge/one a block) both were put in the book, "by rule". Second one, they went with one call and it went against me. I argued that since both of you gave a signal, both had to be called, and I can't remember the answer, but I didn't win the argument.

One coach's opinion: I think the NCAA-W women's rule should be used.