Block/PC (video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

NCAA-M doesn't matter that C has a good look (unless the lead doesn't have a call). It is a play in the lane, involving a secondary defender, therefore, the L has the first crack. Call should have been a block.

I don't think this was an NCAA game, just that it was on a college floor. Is your ruling that it was a block based on the defender not having LGP before upward motion (having assumed it was and NCAA-M game) or based on the defender not getting LGP before the shooter left the floor (NFHS, which is what type of game I think this was)?

I've got the defender in the path before the shooter leaves the floor.

[JugglingReferee]

PC for a FIBA or Fed game, block for NCAA-M.

[JRutledge]

I have a charge no matter the level. He is in front of him and takes everything in the chest before the upward motion and before the shooter left his feet.

Oh and this is the C's call. It came from his area of the court to the basket.

Peace

[Rich]

I agree with Jeff and Camron on the call.

In my world, we give a first crack to the L on this one.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't think this was an NCAA game, just that it was on a college floor. Is your ruling that it was a block based on the defender not having LGP before upward motion (having assumed it was and NCAA-M game) or based on the defender not getting LGP before the shooter left the floor (NFHS, which is what type of game I think this was)?

I've got the defender in the path before the shooter leaves the floor.

My bad, I didn't read JetMet's post, just looked at the video and saw the college floor. In NCAA-M I am going with block. I don't think he had LGP before upward motion. In HS I am going charge. He did have LGP before player was airborne.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

My bad, I didn't read JetMet's post, just looked at the video and saw the college floor. In NCAA-M I am going with block. I don't think he had LGP before upward motion. In HS I am going charge. He did have LGP before player was airborne.

Then we agree. He was still moving sideways into the path after upward motion began (if it had been an NCAA-M game).

I also agree with you that this is the L's call. The C would have had to shift off the double team that the shooter was splitting to pick up the 3rd defender while looking through the shooter and the two defenders that the shooter just split. Could the C get it and get it right? Possibly, even probably if the sight line just happened to open up but he still may not have picked up the 3rd defender early enough to know with certainty whether he was there in time or not.

That defender came from the center of the lane, was still in the lane at contact, and it was the only possible matchup the L could be looking at. The L would have the best knowledge of how the defender got to the spot.

[Toren]

Leads call at all levels. Should only be one whistle on the play. C's whistle needs to disappear. Trust your partner. If he doesn't have a whistle, you come in with a secondary cadence.

The secondary defender is the only thing the Lead is looking at.

HS game I got a charge.

With all that said, Lead still needs a fist up in the air here. We can't be quick to send it up north. Lots of C's in the world will immediately signal block or PC because they think it's there call. This has Blarge written all over it, glad the C was disciplined.

[Raymond]

The C was too far out of position to see this play. His high positioning left him straight lined.

Originally Posted by Toren

Should only be one whistle on the play. C's whistle needs to disappear.

Why?

[Jfpdi]

NCAA-W it's the C's call. C is in his home position- foul line extended

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

NCAA-W it's the C's call. C is in his home position- foul line extended

"home" position isn't sufficient to officiate this play, he needs to step down with the play. All he did was turn his body at an angle which caused him to be looking straight at A1's back.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Why?

Simple answer is because you need to trust your partner. If I'm the C I will have an opinion but I will know my partner is going to put his whistle on this play.

And when he proves me wrong, I will have a strong cadence whistle.

Repeat over and over and over throughout the game.

[Kelvin green]

I know these guys. Based on the way we pre game and discuss coverage this was the L. C did generally what we do. We do not have problems with a C whistle here because of the collision.

Originally Posted by Toren

Simple answer is because you need to trust your partner.

Yeah, trust your partner on marginal stuff that he/she may be passing on in their primary. Contact like this does not fall in that category.

Originally Posted by Toren

If I'm the C I will have an opinion but I will know my partner is going to put his whistle on this play.

And when he proves me wrong, I will have a strong cadence whistle.

Repeat over and over and over throughout the game.

You make it sound like a double whistle is a bad thing, something to be avoided.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a charge no matter the level. He is in front of him and takes everything in the chest before the upward motion and before the shooter left his feet.

Oh and this is the C's call. It came from his area of the court to the basket.

Peace

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Then we agree. He was still moving sideways into the path after upward motion began (if it had been an NCAA-M game).

I also agree with you that this is the L's call. The C would have had to shift off the double team that the shooter was splitting to pick up the 3rd defender while looking through the shooter and the two defenders that the shooter just split. Could the C get it and get it right? Possibly, even probably if the sight line just happened to open up but he still may not have picked up the 3rd defender early enough to know with certainty whether he was there in time or not.

That defender came from the center of the lane, was still in the lane at contact, and it was the only possible matchup the L could be looking at. The L would have the best knowledge of how the defender got to the spot.

I agree with Jeff that this is a Charge at all levels but I do believe that on this particular play that the L has the best look at the play and that the T and C should not be putting air in their whistles.

MTD, Sr.