Verbally counting during a throw-in

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I don't agree with this. It could potentially be unsporting I suppose, but counting out loud in and of itself is not unsporting.

In the post that started this part of the discussion, it was stated that the defender gets to 5 well before the official's count and then yells 5 over and over.

That is either being done to try to draw a call from us or to show us up. It's going to get a "Knock it off" from me and a word to the Coach about it asap, and if they keep doing it, it will result in a T being called.

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the post that started this part of the discussion, it was stated that the defender gets to 5 well before the official's count and then yells 5 over and over.

That is either being done to try to draw a call from us or to show us up. It's going to get a "Knock it off" from me and a word to the Coach about it asap, and if they keep doing it, it will result in a T being called.

I've seen this done a few times and I never felt it was either of those, or even directed towards us. I always thought it was just to try and rush the inbounder in their mind...

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

I've seen this done a few times and I never felt it was either of those, or even directed towards us. I always thought it was just to try and rush the inbounder in their mind...

Maybe if they just count 1-2-3-4-5 really fast...but if they get there and are yelling 5-5-5-5 over and over, that's a different story.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Maybe if they just count 1-2-3-4-5 really fast...but if they get there and are yelling 5-5-5-5 over and over, that's a different story.

If they got to the point where they had yelled "five" over an over then, either 1) their initial count was so commically fast that it couldn't be seriously and probably directed at the thrower to add confusion (like yelling "ball ball ball" while guarding the opponent), or 2) the official needs to practice the timing of his/her count as it probably is slow. I just tried it and took me 2 seconds to yell "five" four times.

I just can't realistically picture this happening in a manner as extreme as is being suggested. But "technicals" tend to call themselves, and it one is needed in this case, it should be obvious to everyone.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

If they got to the point where they had yelled "five" over an over then, either 1) their initial count was so commically fast that it couldn't be seriously and probably directed at the thrower to add confusion (like yelling "ball ball ball" while guarding the opponent), or 2) the official needs to practice the timing of his/her count as it probably is slow. I just tried it and took me 2 seconds to yell "five" four times.

I just can'r realistically picture this happening in a manner as extreme as is being suggested. But "technicals" tend to call themselves, and it one is needed in this case, it should be obvious to everyone.

How about a player counting out loud 1-2-3 on a player in the paint? Or a coach?

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Rich

How about a player counting out loud 1-2-3 on a player in the paint? Or a coach?

Not that uncommon, especially from coaches. Although I have seen it work to cause an offensive player to leave the lane once they realize that everyone on the court has been made aware of their spot on the court.

As an official, I ignore the coach/players count--half of the time its during a series of shots where there is no count anyway --and I maintain my own count if its in my PCA.

I put this in the category of players calling for "and one" as then run back on defense after a made basket. Ignored 99% of the time. The 1% of the time where it is done in a manner can't be ignored, then it is penalized.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Not that uncommon, especially from coaches. Although I have seen it work to cause an offensive player to leave the lane once they realize that everyone on the court has been made aware of their spot on the court.

As an official, I ignore the coach/players count--half of the time its during a series of shots where there is no count anyway --and I maintain my own count if its in my PCA.

I put this in the category of players calling for "and one" as then run back on defense after a made basket. Ignored 99% of the time. The 1% of the time where it is done in a manner can't be ignored, then it is penalized.

Asking for 3 seconds, or 5 second, or 10 seconds, is not the same as counting to 3, 5, or 10 out loud for everyone to hear. Personally, I don't put up with the former if it's done regularly (ignoring it generally does not make it go away), but there is no leeway for the latter.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

How about a player counting out loud 1-2-3 on a player in the paint? Or a coach?

That's one way of NOT getting me to make that call. They will get the message real quick. And if they ask I can reply, "Every time you start counting I forget what number I was on."