Perplexed Travel

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes. When they jump, one of the two feet is the pivot, take your pick as to which left the floor first (it doesn't really matter which you pick).

And in all practical purposes, this is how I would rule.

Let's say theoretically though he jumps so that both feet leave the floor simultaneously without any difference between the two. The rules do not discern in this case which foot is the pivot.

If there's no pivot established then Article 3 wouldn't apply. I don't think the rule was meant to be interpreted that way but it's an interesting little hole.

Please be assured I know what the right call is here and I'd make it without hesitation, I'm just having a little fun playing rulebook lawyer.

Bob, do you happen to have which case that is?

[tjones1]

Welpe

Don't have my case with me, but I assume it's somewhere in the 4.44 area.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Welpe

And in all practical purposes, this is how I would rule.

Let's say theoretically though he jumps so that both feet leave the floor simultaneously without any difference between the two. The rules do not discern in this case which foot is the pivot.

If there's no pivot established then Article 3 wouldn't apply. I don't think the rule was meant to be interpreted that way but it's an interesting little hole.

Please be assured I know what the right call is here and I'd make it without hesitation, I'm just having a little fun playing rulebook lawyer.

Bob, do you happen to have which case that is?

4.44.3B in 2012-13 book

[Welpe]

OK that works. I saw that the first time and must have skimmed over it since it was relating to a dribble but I definitely see how it fits.

I'll put my copy of Black's away now.

Thanks!

[JMUplayer]

Sounds like he's trying to describe that "euro step"

[Dexter555]

And the whole crowd and at least one opponent's coach will scream "Up and Down!" Usually the same coach who barks at you for continually missing "Over the Back."

[pfan1981]

Here is how I envision it....

If a players gathers the ball in mid-air and simultaneously jump stops, he can pivot on either foot.

If a players gathers the ball with one foot on the ground (his pivot foot), jumps off of said foot, simultaneously jump stops......the players is frozen in concrete.

right?!?!?!!?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Here is how I envision it....

If a players gathers the ball in mid-air and simultaneously jump stops, he can pivot on either foot.

If a players gathers the ball with one foot on the ground (his pivot foot), jumps off of said foot, simultaneously jump stops......the players is frozen in concrete.

right?!?!?!!?

"frozen" is too strong, but otherwise seems correct

[pfan1981]

Had a girl gather, jump off her right foot (pivot foot), and then do a obvious non simultaneous jump stop, more like a "one, two". We called it all night and finally the coach wanted an explanation. Gave him one, didn't like it, to which we replied....."Well that's the rule."