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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:44am
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The move - player dribbling into paint... picks up (catch) the dribble - jumps between defenders, lands left foot - steps with right foot - makes layup - travel?
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:22pm
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When the ball handler picks up their dribble, is he/she in the air and then lands left foot?
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:33pm
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When the ball handler picks up their dribble, is he/she in the air and then lands left foot?
IF so, it's legal.

But, if the player was on the ground when s/he "picks up (catch) the dribble", it's a violation.

So, no wonder you're perplexed -- you didn't describe the most important piece of information.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:18pm
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The move - player dribbling into paint... picks up (catch) the dribble - jumps between defenders, lands left foot - steps with right foot - makes layup - travel?
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When the ball handler picks up their dribble, is he/she in the air and then lands left foot?
He does say. "Picks up the dribble, then jumps". The way I read it, he is on the floor when the dribble ends.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:26pm
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He does say. "Picks up the dribble, then jumps". The way I read it, he is on the floor when the dribble ends.
That's how I visualized it, just double checking. Bob came through with correct answers either way.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:31pm
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I know what the right answer is but riddle me this...is there actually a rule that prevents a player without an established pivot foot from jumping from both feet and landing on one?
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:59pm
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I know what the right answer is but riddle me this...is there actually a rule that prevents a player without an established pivot foot from jumping from both feet and landing on one?
There's a case.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:08pm
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I know what the right answer is but riddle me this...is there actually a rule that prevents a player without an established pivot foot from jumping from both feet and landing on one?
Yes. When they jump, one of the two feet is the pivot, take your pick as to which left the floor first (it doesn't really matter which you pick).

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ART. 1 . . . A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot.
Then, having jumped, neither foot can return to the floor without releasing the ball for a shot/pass.

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ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:09pm
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Yes

Dribbles - picks it - jumps defenders in paint - left - right - layup
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:48pm
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Yes. When they jump, one of the two feet is the pivot, take your pick as to which left the floor first (it doesn't really matter which you pick).
And in all practical purposes, this is how I would rule.

Let's say theoretically though he jumps so that both feet leave the floor simultaneously without any difference between the two. The rules do not discern in this case which foot is the pivot.

If there's no pivot established then Article 3 wouldn't apply. I don't think the rule was meant to be interpreted that way but it's an interesting little hole.

Please be assured I know what the right call is here and I'd make it without hesitation, I'm just having a little fun playing rulebook lawyer.

Bob, do you happen to have which case that is?
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:59pm
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Welpe

Don't have my case with me, but I assume it's somewhere in the 4.44 area.
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:05pm
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And in all practical purposes, this is how I would rule.

Let's say theoretically though he jumps so that both feet leave the floor simultaneously without any difference between the two. The rules do not discern in this case which foot is the pivot.

If there's no pivot established then Article 3 wouldn't apply. I don't think the rule was meant to be interpreted that way but it's an interesting little hole.

Please be assured I know what the right call is here and I'd make it without hesitation, I'm just having a little fun playing rulebook lawyer.

Bob, do you happen to have which case that is?
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Old Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:30pm
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OK that works. I saw that the first time and must have skimmed over it since it was relating to a dribble but I definitely see how it fits.

I'll put my copy of Black's away now.

Thanks!
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Old Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:11pm
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Sounds like he's trying to describe that "euro step"
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Old Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:57pm
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And the crowd yells..

And the whole crowd and at least one opponent's coach will scream "Up and Down!" Usually the same coach who barks at you for continually missing "Over the Back."
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