NC State at Syracuse ending

[JRutledge]

1. I have no problem coming in with a foul. If he saw something up top, that is a good call to make.

2. PC Foul all the way.

3. Basket should have counted. The ball handler gathers and never puts the ball back on the floor after being fouled.

4. In transition usually is a time the L can make that call. But he was also already on the end line, so I am not sure why he made that call. But it appeared to be the right call.

Peace

[Toren]

I'm fine with the call, I would not have made it.

PC foul, the C made me laugh, cause he didn't hold up a fist, but he does a funny kind of dance that seems to agree with his partner's call.

From his angle, it would be hard to see if the habitual motion had begun.

The C has the play, his hand is up and I'm sure he's wondering why the Lead has this. Stevie Wonder can see this one.

[Nevadaref]

My thoughts:
1. Leave it alone and the Lead handle this play.

2. Clear PC for the push-off. Nice call and would like to see this made more often.

3. Absolutely in the act of shooting. At the NFHS level, I'm calling this an intentional personal foul. The foul negates an obvious advantageous position by the offensive player.

4. Let the C have this call, which he did. As the Lead, come get it if no call is made by a partner. This is an absolute must have as it is game critical. I don't like the showboating mechanic by the Lead, but I understand why he jumped on this play. The situation in the game (score and time remaining) may have warranted a faster whistle here than any other help situation during a contest.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

At the NFHS level, I'm calling this an intentional personal foul. The foul negates an obvious advantageous position by the offensive player.

Isn't the "obvious advantageous position" in this play making the shot??

Now if the defender wraps up the guy from behind so he can neither shoot nor move, then we can talk INT/Flagrant.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Isn't the "obvious advantageous position" in this play making the shot??

Now if the defender wraps up the guy from behind so he can neither shoot nor move, then we can talk INT/Flagrant.

I also think it was continuous motion and only a common foul. He attempted to play the ball and didn't clobber the guy, so for me this is an basket plus a free throw. All the other play I agree with. I thought the foul by #14 was a good get by C. My resolution wasn't great so I guess it could have been a block.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

3. Absolutely in the act of shooting. At the NFHS level, I'm calling this an intentional personal foul. The foul negates an obvious advantageous position by the offensive player.

Wouldn't even enter my mind. I would score the goal, though. I'm also a big fan of having a patient whistle and getting the foul on the shot whenever possible.

[Welpe]

I wouldn't have an intentional here either. It's not excessive contact and I think he is making a clumsy, off balance play on the ball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I wouldn't have an intentional here either. It's not excessive contact and I think he is making a clumsy, off balance play on the ball.

Excessive contact would not be the reason to justify an intentional foul here.

Let me ask you these questions:
Is this a breakaway?
Does the offensive player have an obvious advantageous position?
Do you believe that the defender purposely fouls in an attempt to prevent an easy basket?

Now go check the rule.

[Adam]

I'm usually pretty quick to count a basket, and at first look, I would have counted it. However, from the endline camera, it doesn't look to me like he had controlled the ball when he got bumped. Maybe I'm just giving deference to the official on the spot, though. Frankly, I would like to think I'd have passed on that one altogether.

As for Nevada's 3rd question:

No

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Excessive contact would not be the reason to justify an intentional foul here.

Let me ask you these questions:
Is this a breakaway?
Does the offensive player have an obvious advantageous position?
Do you believe that the defender purposely fouls in an attempt to prevent an easy basket?

Now go check the rule.

Originally Posted by Adam

As for Nevada's 3rd question:

No

Same...it doesn't even enter my mind as a possibility on this one. He swiped at the ball. He got arm instead of ball. Now if he had held onto that arm so the shooter couldn't get his arms up at all, then I'd go IF, but he has to do something more than just foul from a poor position.

[bob jenkins]

3. Not intentional.

Didn't watch the others.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... but he has to do something more than just foul from a poor position.

In your opinion or according to the rule as written?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Excessive contact would not be the reason to justify an intentional foul here.

Precisely why I ruled it out.

Let me ask you these quesions:

Do you believe that the defender purposely fouls in an attempt to prevent an easy basket?

No. It's a clumsy, off balance play on the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In your opinion or according to the rule as written?

According to the rule.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The OOB/foul play bothers me. One it looks bad and two the contact was well after the shot was blocked. The Hightowerish theatrics after the foul call and BI could be toned down as well.

The Trail official saw the illegal contact on the shooter, looked to see if the Lead was calling the foul, then when clear that the Lead DID NOT SEE IT, came in with a VERY STRONG whistle (which he ABSOLUTELY should in this situation) and sold the call.

I'll be the Lead was glad that Trail came and got that one right.