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Old Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:08pm
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NC State at Syracuse ending

A. PC foul on Syracuse guard.
B. Foul by Syracuse after long pass.

1. In the act of shooting?
2. Flagrant 1 (NFHS intentional personal)?

C. Lead calling BI on final hoop.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 12:33am
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BI by Lead was the right official calling it since the hand came up through the basket.

I'm more interest in the play at 41.4 seconds of the 2nd half when the Trail comes very late with foul call after Lead had already signaled OOBs.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:45am
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Video added (all 4 plays requested)

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I'm more interest in the play at 41.4 seconds of the 2nd half when the Trail comes very late with foul call after Lead had already signaled OOBs.
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A. PC foul on Syracuse guard.
B. Foul by Syracuse after long pass.

1. In the act of shooting?
2. Flagrant 1 (NFHS intentional personal)?

C. Lead calling BI on final hoop.
All of the plays are on this clip in chronological order. There's only one replay of the BI because there was only one angle where we can see the officials' positions.


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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:52am
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I think a patient whistle on #3 would have been withheld in the end. Other than that, I agree with the other three calls.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:23pm
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The OOB/foul play bothers me. One it looks bad and two the contact was well after the shot was blocked. The Hightowerish theatrics after the foul call and BI could be toned down as well.
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On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?
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As far as Nevada's play C (#3 on video), Art Hyland will be coming out with a new NCAA-Men's interpretation of "shooting/continuous motion". Upward motion is going to be defined as the beginning of the habitual shooting motion.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:35pm
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On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?
I was going to comment also that the PC contact was proceeding by a palming violation.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 02:03pm
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In the pre-game , do officials discuss what they will call and not call let's say in the last 4 minutes of the game ? That dribbling was so obvious. The C and L could if easily picked that up.
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Old Sun Feb 16, 2014, 04:48pm
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Play 1: Block, defender got hand level to the ball.

Play 2: PC

Play 3: Count it.

Play 4: Good call. I'm fine with Lead helping in transition.
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#1. Even if there was a foul, the right team got the ball back and there was no need to come in like that after the OOB call.

#2. Great PC (preceeded by a carry).

#3. Basket should have been counted. NO WAY I'm taking away those points.

#4. Good call....even by lead given the fact that the C and T were probably still way behind the play.
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#1. Even if there was a foul, the right team got the ball back and there was no need to come in like that after the OOB call.

#2. Great PC (preceeded by a carry).

#3. Basket should have been counted. NO WAY I'm taking away those points.

#4. Good call....even by lead given the fact that the C and T were probably still way behind the play.
I agree on all four. It seems, by the timing/cadence of the call by T, that his call was on #14, and he was convinced that L's call only involved the block by #24. Even so, I'd hopefully leave it alone, as Camron said.
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On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.
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On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.
Yes, he was in good position, and he also called the basket interference. But when it involves a hand going up through the net, I have no problem with the Lead having a whistle.
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On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.
C was in position, but in transition there is no guarantee that he would be, unlike a half-court situation where the off-ball official will nearly always be in position. During transition I think this call is fair game to Lead.
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