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Nevadaref Sat Feb 15, 2014 09:08pm

NC State at Syracuse ending
 
A. PC foul on Syracuse guard.
B. Foul by Syracuse after long pass.

1. In the act of shooting?
2. Flagrant 1 (NFHS intentional personal)?

C. Lead calling BI on final hoop.

Raymond Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:33am

Video request
 
BI by Lead was the right official calling it since the hand came up through the basket.

I'm more interest in the play at 41.4 seconds of the 2nd half when the Trail comes very late with foul call after Lead had already signaled OOBs.

JetMetFan Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:45am

Video added (all 4 plays requested)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 923063)
I'm more interest in the play at 41.4 seconds of the 2nd half when the Trail comes very late with foul call after Lead had already signaled OOBs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 923054)
A. PC foul on Syracuse guard.
B. Foul by Syracuse after long pass.

1. In the act of shooting?
2. Flagrant 1 (NFHS intentional personal)?

C. Lead calling BI on final hoop.

All of the plays are on this clip in chronological order. There's only one replay of the BI because there was only one angle where we can see the officials' positions.


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Adam Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:52am

I think a patient whistle on #3 would have been withheld in the end. Other than that, I agree with the other three calls.

blindzebra Sun Feb 16, 2014 01:23pm

The OOB/foul play bothers me. One it looks bad and two the contact was well after the shot was blocked. The Hightowerish theatrics after the foul call and BI could be toned down as well.

maroonx Sun Feb 16, 2014 01:29pm

On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?

Raymond Sun Feb 16, 2014 01:34pm

As far as Nevada's play C (#3 on video), Art Hyland will be coming out with a new NCAA-Men's interpretation of "shooting/continuous motion". Upward motion is going to be defined as the beginning of the habitual shooting motion.

Raymond Sun Feb 16, 2014 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 923105)
On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?

I was going to comment also that the PC contact was proceeding by a palming violation.

maroonx Sun Feb 16, 2014 02:03pm

In the pre-game , do officials discuss what they will call and not call let's say in the last 4 minutes of the game ? That dribbling was so obvious. The C and L could if easily picked that up.

AremRed Sun Feb 16, 2014 04:48pm

Play 1: Block, defender got hand level to the ball.

Play 2: PC

Play 3: Count it.

Play 4: Good call. I'm fine with Lead helping in transition.

Camron Rust Sun Feb 16, 2014 05:44pm

#1. Even if there was a foul, the right team got the ball back and there was no need to come in like that after the OOB call.

#2. Great PC (preceeded by a carry).

#3. Basket should have been counted. NO WAY I'm taking away those points.

#4. Good call....even by lead given the fact that the C and T were probably still way behind the play.

Rob1968 Sun Feb 16, 2014 06:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 923136)
#1. Even if there was a foul, the right team got the ball back and there was no need to come in like that after the OOB call.

#2. Great PC (preceeded by a carry).

#3. Basket should have been counted. NO WAY I'm taking away those points.

#4. Good call....even by lead given the fact that the C and T were probably still way behind the play.

I agree on all four. It seems, by the timing/cadence of the call by T, that his call was on #14, and he was convinced that L's call only involved the block by #24. Even so, I'd hopefully leave it alone, as Camron said.

JetMetFan Sun Feb 16, 2014 07:40pm

On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.

Raymond Sun Feb 16, 2014 07:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 923150)
On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.

Yes, he was in good position, and he also called the basket interference. But when it involves a hand going up through the net, I have no problem with the Lead having a whistle.

AremRed Sun Feb 16, 2014 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 923150)
On #4 the C wasn't behind the play at all. He was below the FTLE when the violation took place.

C was in position, but in transition there is no guarantee that he would be, unlike a half-court situation where the off-ball official will nearly always be in position. During transition I think this call is fair game to Lead.


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