Violation or not? Player near sideline

[jhc2010]

A1 intercepts a pass near the sideline. He takes one dribble in bounds, sees that he is headed out of bounds, one-handed passes the ball up the court, comes back on bounds, and continues dribbling. Violation?

[Camron Rust]

If by 1-handed pass you mean he caught it and threw it, then it is an illegal dribble. (double dribble)

If by 1-handed pass you mean that he batted it down the floor, left the ball (it got away from him), then it is legal. (interrupted dribble)

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If by 1-handed pass you mean that he batted it down the floor, left the ball (it got away from him), then it is legal. (interrupted dribble)

I remember this discussion years ago. I'm of the camp that it is not an interrupted dribble if it is intentional. But still don't know if I'd have OOB during a dribble. Guess it depends on how long and what it looked like and what I thought he was doing. Would be better to show a video of this and get opinions on same play rather than having to picture this in our own minds. Anyone have video of plays like this?

[jhc2010]

In this situation, it was clear that the player intentionally tipped the ball up the court so he could continue dribbling after he returned in bounds.

Is there a case play similar to this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I remember this discussion years ago. I'm of the camp that it is not an interrupted dribble if it is intentional. But still don't know if I'd have OOB during a dribble. Guess it depends on how long and what it looked like and what I thought he was doing. Would be better to show a video of this and get opinions on same play rather than having to picture this in our own minds. Anyone have video of plays like this?

If you don't have an interrupted dribble, you really have no choice but to call the OOB violation.

Personally, I have an interrupted dribble. There's nothing in the rule that says it has to be accidental to be interrupted. He relinquished control knowing he was going OOB and couldn't stop it. Then he returns to the court and resumes the dribble.

My rule of thumb, if the ball leaves his reach and/or bounces twice, it's an interrupted dribble. Note, that's a rule of thumb, not an absolute.

[Welpe]

This sounds pretty similar to this play I had a few years ago. We had a good discussion about it.

In or out of bounds on save type play?

[BktBallRef]

NOT.

The player made a smart, legal play. There will always be officials who see this as something that should be penalized but by rule, it's nothing.

[letemplay]

I believe these situations are covered by 7.1.1 B, C, and D ('11-'12 Casebook)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by letemplay

I believe these situations are covered by 7.1.1 B, C, and D ('11-'12 Casebook)

7.1.1 SITUATION B: A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the
floor inbounds, but A1, who is off balance, steps off the court. A1 returns
inbounds, secures control of the ball and dribbles. RULING: Legal. A1 did not
leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did.
This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the basket and
momentum carries A1 off the court. If the try is unsuccessful, A1 may come back
onto the court and regain control since A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and
did not have control of the ball when he/she did.

7.1.1 SITUATION C: A1 blocks a pass near the sideline and the ball goes into
A1’s front court. A1’s momentum carries him/her out of bounds. He/she immediately
returns inbounds, secures control of the ball, dribbles, shoots, and scores.
RULING: Legal. (4-35-1a; 7-1-2; 9-3)

7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a
boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court.
A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning
inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up
the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in
(a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes
the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is
an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

[BillyMac]

9-3-1-Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary,
even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

Originally Posted by jhc2010

He takes one dribble in bounds, sees that he is headed out of bounds, one-handed passes the ball up the court, comes back on bounds, and continues dribbling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9-3-1-Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary,
even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

Sure, unless you deem it an interrupted dribble, during which there is no player control.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sure, unless you deem it an interrupted dribble, during which there is no player control.

4-15-5: An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting
off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no
player control during an interrupted dribble.

Doesn't sound like an interrupted dribble to me ("one hand passes the ball up the court").

Originally Posted by jhc2010

He takes one dribble in bounds, sees that he is headed out of bounds, one-handed passes the ball up the court, comes back on bounds, and continues dribbling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-15-5: An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting
off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no
player control during an interrupted dribble.

Doesn't sound like an interrupted dribble to me ("one hand passes the ball up the court").

Where does it say the ID can't be intentional?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Where does it say the ID can't be intentional?

Here?

4-15-1: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here?

4-15-1: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

Yep, it's still a dribble, but it's interrupted.